Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When they're buffer or ASB tanked.

Having your Inv. Field turned off on a brawler Gila can be solved by a single Nos.

Worm will hold down and brutally sodomise opposing light tackle before cap ever becomes an issue.



Warrior IIs will chew up most kiters that aren't a Garmur.

This is a valid point but misplaced in this context. Sentinel is OP as a solo boat (which is why you don't fight it) but the ship's true role is in fleets where their power is properly applicable. It has a valid role even though annoying solo. It should not be nerfed.

Worm, on the other hand, is OP as solo without any broader meta justification. It doesn't bring anything to a fleet that can't be done better more cheaply. It's real strength is limited to solo play. It is OP. My favourite solution would be to lower drone EHP.

Does this qualify as a rant?

I read this twice and still don't understand what you are trying to say. You replied to my post but didn't actually address what I said.

I have no problem with scary pirate ships. I fly them myself. Worm is still OP relative to the other pirate ships. And as for your pay to win rant, surely that is just another reason to nerf them.

So a ship is not OP as long as it can be countered by itself? Then why not give the Worm 100k EHP and 1000 DPS? After all, it could still be countered by itself.

You have actually given a good functional definition of overpowered. A ship is OP if it is difficult to counter it with another type of ship.

A garmur is still better, due to how it scales with links.

Well that is true for other ships too, isn't it?

My complaint is not that you can't beat it with an ibis but you can't beat it with any sort of reasonable fit for a dramiel, daredevil, succubus or curor.

You see I offered one fit for the worm and said give me any fit for those other pirate frigates that would have a chance against it. Now normally you have about 3 options of where you are trying to fight. 1)in close 2) kiting edge of scram and 3) outside scram range kiting with a long point. Well that single worm fit wins against all reasonable fits for the other 4 pirate frigs at all those ranges. It does the same for all other regular faction ships. End result? Why even bother against a worm? There is no way to win.


Now really I don't mind that pirate frigates are powerful. In fact i like that. They are more expensive than tech 2 and much more expensive than destroyers. But the 4 pirate frigates are outclassed by the worm. So there is still an imbalance in that class.

I recommended giving the succubuse better agility and an extra high slot with a turret. CCP seems to want to make ships cookie cutter where they all only have a set number of slots except drone ships where they drop one slot. But this doesn't work very well. they should stop trying to do that and just look at what can be accomplished in the ships and balance accordingly.

CCP rise is an excellent pvper. I wonder if he can offer how he would fit one of the other 4 pirate ships so that he would have a chance agaisnt the worm fit posted or one with a passive extender. If not maybe its time to admit the pirate ships are not balanced. And give some more love to the 4 pirate ships I mentioned.

the dps on gila in particular is a little high

And a Serpentis boat with an inbuilt immobilizer and very angry neutron blasters only does 1200dps so its all good and stuff..

I like my Gurista ships and they suit my style of flying very well, well at least until I jump into Tama and my beautiful ship explodes by association or Ishtars or both.