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Should I give up on Null?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#101 - 2014-07-31 04:06:05 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xavier Liche wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
...cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it...


If local was removed...

What you quoted isn't a problem. What you replied isn't a solution.

General Discussion is under the mistaken impression that we are always being camped, and that removing local is always good.

Meanwhile, highsec, the most dangerous place. Especially Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly undock, on which many hundreds of billions of isk have been destroyed...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#102 - 2014-07-31 05:29:22 UTC
Null isn't small group friendly, and high stakes, large group conflict will lead to spying etc.

I suggest you look into wormhole space, OP. Try a C4.

There's fights to be had, similarly lucrative PVE, and when you get a fight, it's usually 10v10 where your actions matter, rather than either 200v10 where you are screwed or 200v200 where you are a cog in a machine unless you are either an FC or a spy.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Kelaian Stareine
Regime Change Artists
#103 - 2014-07-31 06:45:06 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.



If you are in nul for the PVE, you really shouldn't stay. Being there for PVE dooms you to be in a renter alliance to get hazed all the time. I joined a renter nul alliance when I started because I got bored of hisec, and I ended up liking it for the PVP opportunities, not for the PVE opportunities. Its not worth it to stay in nul for the anoms, there are better ways to make money like incursions/DED sites/Wormholes.
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2014-08-01 17:32:02 UTC
Kelaian Stareine wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.



If you are in nul for the PVE, you really shouldn't stay. Being there for PVE dooms you to be in a renter alliance to get hazed all the time. I joined a renter nul alliance when I started because I got bored of hisec, and I ended up liking it for the PVP opportunities, not for the PVE opportunities. Its not worth it to stay in nul for the anoms, there are better ways to make money like incursions/DED sites/Wormholes.


Why renting space when nullsec npc owned space is free for all?
Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-08-01 18:11:10 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


I was in the same position, and I must say WH life is awesome. I generally find PVP lame, and love to PVE and I've found WH to be a nice mix.

You will need scanning skills, a cov ops frig, PI perhaps.. a few other things that you may not have used before, but generally you can make loads of cash, defend your home, and your corp becomes a real hangout and you make friends.

FW is full of afk plexers and bitches, for the most part.. but WH space is just great. A warning however: it'll make you paranoid in just about every aspect of your life.
Jeremy Fischer1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2014-08-05 16:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Fischer1
Sounds like nullsec isn't your thing, I'm pretty much the opposite I enjoy almost every aspect of being in nullsec. Empire space was so freaking boring to me I almost quit the game all together.(nullsec in my first month) But I'm not in a renter alliance either, I have a good home who own their own systems. We don't answer to anyone, pretty much do whatever we want.
Jeremy Fischer1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2014-08-05 16:21:00 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
There are no mechanics in null that will save you. That means you have to do things properly. Which involves bureaucracy. Halfhearted attemps will simply mean getting infiltrated, spied upon and eventually murdered by a group that did go all the way.

The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. The stage just before becoming a true vet. Every player has to go through it on their road to "hardcore EVE player". Once passed, people KNOW there's no such thing as the "right' way in a sandbox. Given enough time, everybody that sticks around will get it. Enjoyment is just an opinion/feeling.
You can help yourself by not caring about all the wannabe elitists. You do your thing, they do their thing. They feel your way is "wrong"? Does it really matter? Are you the one playing another man's game at that moment?

So here's the real question; Do you enjoy PVE-ing in nullsec and manage to chip in on the pvp part enough to be usefull?

If the stuff you mentioned causes the answer to be "no" ; get out. Check WH's as suggested or maybe lvl4's in h-sec?
If the stuff you mentioned doesnt really matter that much and the answer despite it all is still "yes" ; stay and do whatever you want.

This.
Wingzero Mileghere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2014-08-05 19:00:26 UTC
find something in eve that is your addiction and go from there for me that was W-Space
I can honestly say I am in one of the best smaller alliances in wormhole space and its because of the people so if the politics of null are something that drives you crazy then find something else hell take a day trip in a WH or just pick a system to set a course for and go
at the end of the day its you that you are trying to please so start with a part of eve that you like or try new things to find that for your self then find a group to run with that you would actually have fun with
from the sound of your post it seems like you enjoy the people but don't like the corp or the alliance you got to have both to have fun in eve just saying