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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#61 - 2011-12-08 06:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
When I compare similar fit Punisher and Retribution my main problem is:
- Why I am penelized in speed, agility and point abilitys when I invest more training time and MUCH more money?

I sugest:
- remove weight penalty to equalize speed and agility compared to T1
- additional bonus 5% BASE agility and speed peer Assault Ship Level
(and in some cases re-designe the layout like Retribution -1 high +1 med)

Interceptors will still be MUCH faster and MUCH more agile (+ lower sig radius). Cruisers will still have more DPS and EHP. Assault would just be what they should be: hard hitting Frigats.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
VanNostrum
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-12-08 15:55:54 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
When I compare similar fit Punisher and Retribution my main problem is:
- Why I am penelized in speed, agility and point abilitys when I invest more training time and MUCH more money?

I sugest:
- remove weight penalty to equalize speed and agility compared to T1
- additional bonus 5% BASE agility and speed peer Assault Ship Level
(and in some cases re-designe the layout like Retribution -1 high +1 med)

Interceptors will still be MUCH faster and MUCH more agile (+ lower sig radius). Cruisers will still have more DPS and EHP. Assault would just be what they should be: hard hitting Frigats.



mmmm...speeeeed
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2011-12-08 17:46:39 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:

Re: the Harpy, you said "The Hawk, Enyo, and Harpy OTOH are widely considered pretty terrible" in the post I responded to.


Ok, sure. I see why you're saying that. I was really pointing out perception not personal belief there - I personally fly it and enjoy it. It was meant to be more commentary on the disparity between AF performance and to be careful not to apply blanket bonuses like "+10% Afterburner velocity/level".

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As for the Enyo, it's big selling point is the DPS and ability to apply that DPS, paired with a fairly meaty tank even if you don't fit a plate (8k EHP with just a damage control and an explosive hardener). The range bonus means you can hit more or less all the way across scram range with null, and the tracking bonus paired with the 20% increase in blaster tracking means that even in a neutron setup with null or void loaded, you track almost as well as unbonused 125mm autocannons with faction ammo (0.49 rad/s versus 0.52 rad/s). This gives you a lot of flexibility in terms of how you approach a fight as well as good scope for engaging larger ships and chewing through their tank in a reasonably timely fashion; it also makes the ship something of a drone chainsaw. The buff has given it rather nice speed and agility as well, at least compared to other AFs.


Hm. I promise I'll take a look at it again, but I remember being utterly underwhelmed by it when I compared it to the Harpy. I seem to regularly be tanking 6-8k raw hitpoints before going down with my active tanked Blarpies.

-Liang



Liang, sometimes I think you are full of ****, but most of the time I find your posts reasonably correct and informative :)

I'm going to agree with Tsubutai, the enyo is a great ship. It's 350 or so paper dps out of a frigate is pretty good. It can also usually apply it. Probably not the best choice for frigate vs frigate battles due to lack of mids, but if you're in a frig gang going after a few cruisers or whatever, the enyo is a great choice. It's all situational of course just like everything. Either way, If a frig gang is rolling out and I have a choice between an ishkur or enyo, I'll be taking the enyo.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
whaynethepain
#64 - 2011-12-08 18:21:08 UTC
12 AU/S

They warp too slow

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Mimiru Minahiro
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2011-12-08 18:22:41 UTC
100% range bonus and 50% more base speed.

It is the only way you will see them in the top 20 used ships. Everyone knows that is the best metric for determining if something is balanced.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#66 - 2011-12-08 19:27:41 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:

Liang, sometimes I think you are full of ****, but most of the time I find your posts reasonably correct and informative :)

I'm going to agree with Tsubutai, the enyo is a great ship. It's 350 or so paper dps out of a frigate is pretty good. It can also usually apply it. Probably not the best choice for frigate vs frigate battles due to lack of mids, but if you're in a frig gang going after a few cruisers or whatever, the enyo is a great choice. It's all situational of course just like everything. Either way, If a frig gang is rolling out and I have a choice between an ishkur or enyo, I'll be taking the enyo.


350 DPS is pretty decent but the Enyo is hardly the only AF that can realistically put that out. Until you show me a specific fit that you think is competitive I really don't have any choice but to totally write the Enyo off.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.