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Weapons for PVP - Autocannons, artillary, missiles?
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munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-12-08 10:53:31 UTC
What do you all think?

I'm a noob to PVP so forgive me :)
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-08 11:02:05 UTC
They all work fine. What kind of pvp did you have in mind?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#3 - 2011-12-08 11:03:54 UTC
Except for cruise missiles, every weapon system is viable for some form of PVP on some form of ship.

We need more to go on . . .

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-12-08 11:05:54 UTC
Ok sorry! It was a bit vague.

I fly Caldari ships.

What sort of info do you need?
Day Fisher
Glick and Gale Investment
#5 - 2011-12-08 11:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Day Fisher
What ship/race are you planning to fly? That is usually what dictates the guns you'll be using. Generally missiles are worse than other weapons for pvp since they take some time to fly to their target. Autocannons have the best tracking (or at least they used to, hybrids got buffed so I'm not sure any more), and can keep firing even if you have 0 cap, and also allow you to swap ammo types. Blasters have the highest DPS in total and alright tracking but their range is pitiful. The general rule of thumb: range and damage are inversely proportional - higher range = lower damage. Same for tracking, higher range = lower tracking. But yeah, what ships?

Caldari generally use missiles, with some ships specialising in hybrids.
munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2011-12-08 11:17:09 UTC
I mainly fly caldari, I can fly Gallente up to Battlecruiser I think.

I basically just want to know a good ship for PVP noob :)
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-08 12:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
munkape wrote:
I mainly fly caldari, I can fly Gallente up to Battlecruiser I think.

I basically just want to know a good ship for PVP noob :)


OK, I take back what I wrote earlier: autocannons and arties are terrible for your current skillset. Train blasters/railguns and missiles. There are no Caldari or Gallente ships that get bonuses to projectile usage (autos and arties). With a handful of exceptions, you don't want to put off-racial weapons on a hull.
munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2011-12-08 12:49:31 UTC
Cheers mate, I'll keep that in mind.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-12-08 13:03:06 UTC
munkape wrote:
Cheers mate, I'll keep that in mind.

Dont listen to Mfume Apocal , he is completly clueless.
Use drake with hml or matar ships or recons.
munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2011-12-08 13:22:18 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
munkape wrote:
Cheers mate, I'll keep that in mind.

Dont listen to Mfume Apocal , he is completly clueless.
Use drake with hml or matar ships or recons.


Thank you, I will also keep this in mind Big smile
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2011-12-08 14:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
Nano-Drake with HMLs and single or dual web (depending on your preference). Although, if you're completely new to PvP, you should probably use frigs first before using BCs.

Should probably give you a fit too:

7x HML II
1x Small Neut II

1x Y-T8
1x LSE II
2x Invul II
1x WD II
1x Web

2x Nano II
2x BCU II

3x MCDFE rigs

Can fight with small gangs by yourself if you know what you're doing and makes Shield-Canes run (if in a 1 on 1 or 1 vs 2 situation).
munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-12-08 15:06:56 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
Nano-Drake with HMLs and single or dual web (depending on your preference). Although, if you're completely new to PvP, you should probably use frigs first before using BCs.

Should probably give you a fit too:

7x HML II
1x Small Neut II

1x Y-T8
1x LSE II
2x Invul II
1x WD II
1x Web

2x Nano II
2x BCU II

3x MCDFE rigs

Can fight with small gangs by yourself if you know what you're doing and makes Shield-Canes run (if in a 1 on 1 or 1 vs 2 situation).


Cheers Kingswood. I'll kit a ship out later and let you know how I get on. Will message you in game or something.
Goose99
#13 - 2011-12-08 15:29:12 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
munkape wrote:
I mainly fly caldari, I can fly Gallente up to Battlecruiser I think.

I basically just want to know a good ship for PVP noob :)


OK, I take back what I wrote earlier: autocannons and arties are terrible for your current skillset. Train blasters/railguns and missiles. There are no Caldari or Gallente ships that get bonuses to projectile usage (autos and arties). With a handful of exceptions, you don't want to put off-racial weapons on a hull.


Confirming you don't fit projectiles in Myrm or Ferox.
Kulmid
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-08 17:20:27 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
munkape wrote:
I mainly fly caldari, I can fly Gallente up to Battlecruiser I think.

I basically just want to know a good ship for PVP noob :)


OK, I take back what I wrote earlier: autocannons and arties are terrible for your current skillset. Train blasters/railguns and missiles. There are no Caldari or Gallente ships that get bonuses to projectile usage (autos and arties). With a handful of exceptions, you don't want to put off-racial weapons on a hull.


Confirming you don't fit projectiles in Myrm or Ferox.


Confirming CCP didn't fix hybrids.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#15 - 2011-12-08 17:31:26 UTC
I run a similar fit but 1 invuln and 2 webs and a drone link aug in the utility high slot, its very effective. But yeah start in a frig and work your way up. Experience is more important then anything when learning PvP...unless you just blob everything. Kill and get killed as much as possible...you will learn something new during every engagement.

munkape wrote:
Kingwood wrote:
Nano-Drake with HMLs and single or dual web (depending on your preference). Although, if you're completely new to PvP, you should probably use frigs first before using BCs.

Should probably give you a fit too:

7x HML II
1x Small Neut II

1x Y-T8
1x LSE II
2x Invul II
1x WD II
1x Web

2x Nano II
2x BCU II

3x MCDFE rigs

Can fight with small gangs by yourself if you know what you're doing and makes Shield-Canes run (if in a 1 on 1 or 1 vs 2 situation).


Cheers Kingswood. I'll kit a ship out later and let you know how I get on. Will message you in game or something.

nom nom
Alara IonStorm
#16 - 2011-12-08 17:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Kulmid wrote:

Confirming CCP didn't fix hybrids.

Confirming buffed = fixed.

OP you are going to want T2 Heavy Missile Launchers for a Drake and to get your Missiles skills and Battlecruiser skill to 4. After that you will want to train up Winmatar for the Hurricane and get T2 Autocannons and 720mm Artillery.

Those 2 ships are the most used in PvP period. You will get into most gangs with those. You have already seen the Nano Drake:

[Hurricane, Shield Cane]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

[Hurricane, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


[Drake, Fleet Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2011-12-08 17:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
munkape wrote:


Cheers Kingswood. I'll kit a ship out later and let you know how I get on. Will message you in game or something.


I checked your 3 losses on BC and I definitely think you should stick to Frigates first until you know how to properly fit a ship for PvP. I play very inconsistently at the moment because I want to finish my Master's soon and can't afford to spend a lot of time on Eve, but if you want PvP lessons you should message Morel Nova in-game and ask if he's available for a private PvP course. His courses are good and well worth the price.

For Frigs every last-tier Frig will do, and I'd suggest you skill up to the Taranis because it's hands-down the best T2 frig in the game, imo.
munkape
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2011-12-09 07:51:03 UTC
Thanks everyone, looks like I have to train a couple of skills a little more.LolBig smile
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#19 - 2011-12-09 09:49:37 UTC
bth even Blasters look ok now.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com