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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-07-31 14:08:48 UTC
Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP.

That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them).
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-31 14:31:59 UTC
Kelaian Stareine wrote:
I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps

Then why are you replying to this thread?

Bokononist

 
Calvin Recline
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-07-31 14:41:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP.

That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them).


I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)

FW was fun, but the crowd there is often... difficult to et along with with corps eating other corps and side flopping.

My next foray will be in to WH's but in the meantime renting while waiting for scanning skills to get done across 6 pilots is a pretty decent use of my time.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#24 - 2014-07-31 15:01:17 UTC
There seems to be a focus on ratting. When you rent a system, everything in it is yours except for R64/32/and some 16s.

I don't rent solo; I'm in a corp with others (but still not that many people total). However, with just 2 characters with 4s in PI skills, you can pull in 1 billion in basic PI without any trouble. With more characters and/or better skills, that number goes up fast. If you're in a solo corp, you can bring hordes of cheap alts if you'd like to pump things up. Depending on what you do and what kind of scenario you're running, you can always put low taxes and collect ISK from neighbors who want to a bit of PI in your system.

All the moons are yours as well, so you can harvest moon goo if any is present (i highly recommend you send in a scanning alt prior to making a final committment).

Of course the ratting (whatever its form) is constant and consistent. If you're solo, you don't actually need a full on mil index and all that. Just two hordes/sanctums will allow you to bounce back and forth.

If you mine, that's an option too. If you're doing something else and you want a minimum attention activity, switch over from ratting to mining.

You can build things at POS, as well as compression/refine.

If you have a station (which seems unlikely given the expense, still though...), you have lots of options. Not least of which is running a market from your station. This is an often overlooked aspect of rental space activity. In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin.

Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price.
Calvin Recline
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-07-31 15:22:37 UTC
Qalix wrote:

Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price.

^ this is key. Take a neut that can scan moons; see what systems are available to rent, and see what moons they have in them. This can really make or break the 'ease' of renting. Pay attention to the planets as well as PI alts can effectively pay the rent themselves.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2014-07-31 15:45:17 UTC
Qalix wrote:
In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin.

Eh.

Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby.

CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Qalix
Long Jump.
#27 - 2014-07-31 15:49:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Qalix wrote:
In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin.

Eh.

Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby.

CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station.

BoT also has JF services that operate through hubs. Like everything, though, there is a charge and there is a wait. Given a choice between a quick 5 jump trip to the "store" and a god-knows-how-long wait for a courier, many people prefer the short trip.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2014-07-31 16:41:07 UTC
I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Qalix
Long Jump.
#29 - 2014-07-31 16:47:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs.

My original point was about setting up a market in rental space, not his particular hauling needs.

BTW 3 accounts is more than enough to run your own logistics. BoT allows the use of other renter's cyno towers, so you might get away with even less.
Calvin Recline
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-07-31 17:17:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs.



I use my own JF =./
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-07-31 18:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Lucas Kell wrote:
Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome.


That's just what I did. Now I'm rich. Still not awesome though.



OP: Since you are comfortable in wormholes, you could get a nice hole, even a C1 since you don't really care about the wormhole itself, with a nullsec static. Then every day, just jump out and rat it up. The nice thing is you get bounties for killing the rats. You don't have to salvage the rats and haul to Jita to get paid. And with the wh you have a place to retreat to as well as a new ns system every day.

But you should also just consider joining one of the established ns alliances. I've had nothing but fun in my 2 months since joining the CFC.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-07-31 19:01:18 UTC
Calvin Recline wrote:


I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)


I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill.

I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun.

So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#33 - 2014-07-31 19:05:45 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Calvin Recline wrote:


I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)


I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill.

I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun.

So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want.

Pap link? P
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-31 19:21:07 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill.

I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun.

So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want.

Pap link? P

Way to completely miss the point my carbohydrate poisoned friend.

Malcolm: as a new guy to the CFC myself, I can definitely agree with your statements. The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. That being said, I have a feeling that if I'd have joined as anything other than a pvp pilot, they wouldn't give a rat's ass if I shot another ship or not.
One question though: when does this rich factor kick in? I've been here a month, and can just barely afford a couple of Dreads. #firstworldproblems
Budan Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-31 20:21:54 UTC
Wenda M'mbala wrote:
I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically:

- Is it too much logistics for a single person?

- Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey.

- Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status).

EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b.



You can do it. I would suggest renting from NA/Bot instead of CFC. CFC has great deals, but their renter space if full of cloaking cyno alts. Its not really worth it at this point. NA/Bot have so much space you can find a nice quiet system where no one wants to travel for ganks.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2014-07-31 20:22:39 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can.

ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2014-07-31 20:25:57 UTC
Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared

grr gon renters

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Calvin Recline
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-07-31 21:56:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared

grr gon renters



To be fair, the cyno cloaks in cfc renter space isn't so much a myth. I went jumping through to check out space before i secured my current rental contract and there were by far more campers in cfc renter space than the other 2 primary renters.

I'd have rented from cfc other wise.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2014-07-31 22:04:20 UTC
Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-31 22:13:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can.

ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots.

Interesting. It's been my experience with every corp I've joined, though I haven't been in many (three were nullsec based) over my two years in Eve. It was always something akin to "are you here to shoot people, or space rocks?" I have noticed that the CFC seems to handle damn near everything differently than everyone else in Eve though, so perhaps it shouldn't shock me.
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