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Dear my Fellow Gankers

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412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-31 00:28:36 UTC
Dear my fellow Gankers/ Carebears and CCP

I write this post today, seeking open dialogue and change. I ask for a change to highsec, to help the current plight of the ganker.

For too long there has been too much negative connotation about what CODE. alliance is doing in highsec. I read post after post seeking change and further nerfs/buffs to game mechanics to stop the big bad gankers and how highsec or how CCP should stop this and stop that and ban these people and those.

Some of the most recent posts most enjoyable to me are below for your perusal.

  • Players with -6 security status should not be allowed into highsec
  • Ganking AFK empty freighters should not be allowed
  • New order and james 315 are cyberbullies


*note there are hundreds more, just lazy to find them

I for once come to ask that the changes be looked at to assist the ganker and nerf the carebear slightly, only to limit those abusing the isk funnel of missions, afk ice mining and afk hauling. Code. are trying our best to combat this, however we are punished in the eyes of the community. We are vilified as sadists and sociopaths, with highsec players going as far to compare killing an internet spaceship equal to real life murder and **** along with highsec characters apparently sexing up my mum on countless occasions.

Some of the changes I am proposing and that I have seen in threads are listed below. I do not take ownership of all these ideas and thank the pilots posting these ideas in various threads.


  • The bastion module should not be able to be activated in highsec unless in an incursion sites or engaged with a limited engagement timer, this will prevent the carebear afking in level 4's or sisters of eve epic arc missions in their marauder.

  • A ganking module, which calculates the drop percentages of loot on haulers, freighters, jump freighters and exhumers/barges - Gankers for too long have been running around trying to plex their accounts only to get terrible drops from that evil loot fairy.

  • Battleship rats to be placed in highsec ore and ice mining sites, These rats to have the same bounty as a lowsec bs rat and same spawn rate, however it will force the carebear to work together to combat these, rather than having a strip mining covetor with no support and no tank, stripping ice into their freighter and orca

  • Ensure in the tutorial exposes that eve is a dangerous place and if mining is your chosen profession, you should investigate getting into a player corp ASAP to learn about the game or purchase a permit from a friendly New Order Agent P

  • A daily limit of missions per day per player. This will ensure that other areas of eve are investigated by the player and they don't become a bot aspirant

  • Aggression mechanics along with concord responses changed slightly for the ganker. If a player agresses a ganker, the limited engagement timer negates the need for a concord or faction police response, these entities would realise the capsuleer is taking care of this "threat", whilst creating further content and another level of pvp


These are a just a few ideas I have had thought about and come across in threads, however I ask for feedback and open discussion and your ideas.

Why does the common carebear get their buffs to their barges and freighters, their yield and their mineral changes etc and the gankers are the ones left to adapt with little to no reward apart from a full jar of tears to power our spaceships? Not that we complain, we enjoy it, however I personally feel that we deserve some positive changes for ganking.

Thank you for your time and reading this post, I hope to see some great discussion and remember, The Code Always Wins

Big smileBig smileBig smile

A True Champion of High Security Space

Marsha Mallow
#2 - 2014-07-31 00:30:20 UTC
Please roleplay in your own channel, you filthy pervert

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-07-31 00:34:01 UTC
seriously: remove concord warp times, set concord spawn time to previous warp time, set a despawn timer on concord fleets
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#4 - 2014-07-31 00:34:17 UTC
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-31 00:35:30 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.


I truly hope not, its not a troll, its an open discussion.

Well at least thats what im hoping for.

A True Champion of High Security Space

45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#6 - 2014-07-31 00:35:30 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
Dear my fellow Gankers/ Carebears and CCP

I write this post today, seeking open dialogue and change. I ask for a change to highsec, to help the current plight of the ganker.

For too long there has been too much negative connotation about what CODE. alliance is doing in highsec. I read post after post seeking change and further nerfs/buffs to game mechanics to stop the big bad gankers and how highsec or how CCP should stop this and stop that and ban these people and those.

Some of the most recent posts most enjoyable to me are below for your perusal.

  • Players with -6 security status should not be allowed into highsec
  • Ganking AFK empty freighters should not be allowed
  • New order and james 315 are cyberbullies


*note there are hundreds more, just lazy to find them

I for once come to ask that the changes be looked at to assist the ganker and nerf the carebear slightly, only to limit those abusing the isk funnel of missions, afk ice mining and afk hauling. Code. are trying our best to combat this, however we are punished in the eyes of the community. We are vilified as sadists and sociopaths, with highsec players going as far to compare killing an internet spaceship equal to real life murder and **** along with highsec characters apparently sexing up my mum on countless occasions.

Some of the changes I am proposing and that I have seen in threads are listed below. I do not take ownership of all these ideas and thank the pilots posting these ideas in various threads.


  • The bastion module should not be able to be activated in highsec unless in an incursion sites or engaged with a limited engagement timer, this will prevent the carebear afking in level 4's or sisters of eve epic arc missions in their marauder.

  • A ganking module, which calculates the drop percentages of loot on haulers, freighters, jump freighters and exhumers/barges - Gankers for too long have been running around trying to plex their accounts only to get terrible drops from that evil loot fairy.

  • Battleship rats to be placed in highsec ore and ice mining sites, These rats to have the same bounty as a lowsec bs rat and same spawn rate, however it will force the carebear to work together to combat these, rather than having a strip mining covetor with no support and no tank, stripping ice into their freighter and orca

  • Ensure in the tutorial exposes that eve is a dangerous place and if mining is your chosen profession, you should investigate getting into a player corp ASAP to learn about the game or purchase a permit from a friendly New Order Agent P

  • A daily limit of missions per day per player. This will ensure that other areas of eve are investigated by the player and they don't become a bot aspirant

  • Aggression mechanics along with concord responses changed slightly for the ganker. If a player agresses a ganker, the limited engagement timer negates the need for a concord or faction police response, these entities would realise the capsuleer is taking care of this "threat", whilst creating further content and another level of pvp


These are a just a few ideas I have had thought about and come across in threads, however I ask for feedback and open discussion and your ideas.

Why does the common carebear get their buffs to their barges and freighters, their yield and their mineral changes etc and the gankers are the ones left to adapt with little to no reward apart from a full jar of tears to power our spaceships? Not that we complain, we enjoy it, however I personally feel that we deserve some positive changes for ganking.

Thank you for your time and reading this post, I hope to see some great discussion and remember, The Code Always Wins

Big smileBig smileBig smile


Another Trolled thread

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-31 00:35:41 UTC
Another productive and very much needed general discussion thread.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-31 00:36:36 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:

The bastion module should not be able to be activated in highsec unless in an incursion sites or engaged with a limited engagement timer, this will prevent the carebear afking in level 4's or sisters of eve epic arc missions in their marauder.

So, destroy the primary purpose of the Marauder (PvE/missioning). Okay...


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A ganking module, which calculates the drop percentages of loot on haulers, freighters, jump freighters and exhumers/barges - Gankers for too long have been running around trying to plex their accounts only to get terrible drops from that evil loot fairy.

That's easy. 50%. Done. Sometimes you have bad luck, sometimes good. RNG bro.


Quote:
Ensure in the tutorial exposes that eve is a dangerous place and if mining is your chosen profession, you should investigate getting into a player corp ASAP to learn about the game or purchase a permit from a friendly New Order Agent P

Yeah, I don't think the game tutorial is going to reference a particular player group/corporation in that way.


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A daily limit of missions per day per player. This will ensure that other areas of eve are investigated by the player and they don't become a bot aspirant

Or ensure a good portion of the player base quit. Driving players out of their game en masse isn't exactly in CCP's interests.


Quote:
Aggression mechanics along with concord responses changed slightly for the ganker. If a player agresses a ganker, the limited engagement timer negates the need for a concord or faction police response, these entities would realise the capsuleer is taking care of this "threat", whilst creating further content and another level of pvp

That can't be exploited at all, by, say, a friend of the ganker engaging them when they start their gank then leaving them be, so that Concord never shows up. Nope, no way to do that.

45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#9 - 2014-07-31 00:37:58 UTC
45thtiger 0109 wrote:
412nv Yaken wrote:
Dear my fellow Gankers/ Carebears and CCP

I write this post today, seeking open dialogue and change. I ask for a change to highsec, to help the current plight of the ganker.

For too long there has been too much negative connotation about what CODE. alliance is doing in highsec. I read post after post seeking change and further nerfs/buffs to game mechanics to stop the big bad gankers and how highsec or how CCP should stop this and stop that and ban these people and those.

Some of the most recent posts most enjoyable to me are below for your perusal.

  • Players with -6 security status should not be allowed into highsec
  • Ganking AFK empty freighters should not be allowed
  • New order and james 315 are cyberbullies


*note there are hundreds more, just lazy to find them

I for once come to ask that the changes be looked at to assist the ganker and nerf the carebear slightly, only to limit those abusing the isk funnel of missions, afk ice mining and afk hauling. Code. are trying our best to combat this, however we are punished in the eyes of the community. We are vilified as sadists and sociopaths, with highsec players going as far to compare killing an internet spaceship equal to real life murder and **** along with highsec characters apparently sexing up my mum on countless occasions.

Some of the changes I am proposing and that I have seen in threads are listed below. I do not take ownership of all these ideas and thank the pilots posting these ideas in various threads.


  • The bastion module should not be able to be activated in highsec unless in an incursion sites or engaged with a limited engagement timer, this will prevent the carebear afking in level 4's or sisters of eve epic arc missions in their marauder.

  • A ganking module, which calculates the drop percentages of loot on haulers, freighters, jump freighters and exhumers/barges - Gankers for too long have been running around trying to plex their accounts only to get terrible drops from that evil loot fairy.

  • Battleship rats to be placed in highsec ore and ice mining sites, These rats to have the same bounty as a lowsec bs rat and same spawn rate, however it will force the carebear to work together to combat these, rather than having a strip mining covetor with no support and no tank, stripping ice into their freighter and orca

  • Ensure in the tutorial exposes that eve is a dangerous place and if mining is your chosen profession, you should investigate getting into a player corp ASAP to learn about the game or purchase a permit from a friendly New Order Agent P

  • A daily limit of missions per day per player. This will ensure that other areas of eve are investigated by the player and they don't become a bot aspirant

  • Aggression mechanics along with concord responses changed slightly for the ganker. If a player agresses a ganker, the limited engagement timer negates the need for a concord or faction police response, these entities would realise the capsuleer is taking care of this "threat", whilst creating further content and another level of pvp


These are a just a few ideas I have had thought about and come across in threads, however I ask for feedback and open discussion and your ideas.

Why does the common carebear get their buffs to their barges and freighters, their yield and their mineral changes etc and the gankers are the ones left to adapt with little to no reward apart from a full jar of tears to power our spaceships? Not that we complain, we enjoy it, however I personally feel that we deserve some positive changes for ganking.

Thank you for your time and reading this post, I hope to see some great discussion and remember, The Code Always Wins

Big smileBig smileBig smile


Another ? thread



**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-31 00:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.

I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#11 - 2014-07-31 00:41:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.

I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

I think that you're completely out of your mind and blind, too.




Someone remove the ******* trolls already.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#12 - 2014-07-31 00:45:50 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.

I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

I think that you're completely out of your mind and blind, too.




Someone remove the ******* trolls already.


The forum warrior crying again.

Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2014-07-31 00:47:37 UTC
As a ganker, I do not support any of your "suggestions".

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-07-31 00:50:21 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.

I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

I think that you're completely out of your mind and blind, too.




Someone remove the ******* trolls already.


The forum warrior crying again.



Shouldn't you be out preparing your oh so content creating "competition" for ganking Ventures?

Surely you don't have time for defending trolls on the forums with such a exciting and creative event to run.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#15 - 2014-07-31 00:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
loyalanon wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
I'm betting this gets locked for trolling.

I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

I think that you're completely out of your mind and blind, too.




Someone remove the ******* trolls already.


The forum warrior crying again.

lol the noob, who needs a scouting alt to kill anything ...
... and hides in station all day because the faction police is soooooo mean to him! *crycrycry*

Oh and GCC. Yeah.
You hide in station during GCC too.



Noob.


Ohohohoh i forgot one ...

Always hides behind the group. (:


Noob. xD

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-31 00:53:10 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I think that if this diametrically opposed discussion can exist in its un-locked 115-page form, then I think 412nv's topic is valid and not necessarily a troll.

I think that you're completely out of your mind and blind, too.




Someone remove the ******* trolls already.

I think 412nv has kicked off a discussion with a bulleted list of points. I don't see any judgments passed, any pitchforks raised. Game mechanics are always an interesting discussion, and if we can separate our visceral feelings for the Corporation tag under somebody's name I think there can be a productive discussion.

Just my opinion.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-07-31 00:55:35 UTC
Can we please try to stay on topic.

So about these proposed changes......

A True Champion of High Security Space

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-07-31 00:56:17 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
lol the noob, who needs a scouting alt to kill anything ...... and hides in station all day because the faction police is soooooo mean to him! *crycrycry*Oh and GCC. Yeah.You hide in station during GCC too.Noob.Ohohohoh i forgot one ...Always hides behind the group. (:Noob. xD

the attention-seeker sounds upset.
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-07-31 00:57:41 UTC
i often defend code. and what they do in high sec however i can not agree with what you propose.

i defend code because this is a sandbox mmo and EVERYONE should be able to play they what to play and nowhere is 100% safe though i feel new player starting systems and systems that tutorials take place should be. (let them learn how to fly there ship before you turn it into a wreck)

in the same respect if people wanna afk ice mine that is there choice after all im sure 90% of the gankers haven't done ice mining if you had you would realize that even sitting at your keyboard you may as well be afk for all the interacting game play it gives its long and boring. but i respect peoples right to play that way as long as it's not a bot.

not sure how you can afk l4's in a marauder dont think any of them are drone boats so you need to actively lock up targets and F1

eve is a sandbox mmo it can be played solo though interactions still occur when the wanna be solo player buys stuff from the market/sells stuff, and if they wanna play that way its there choice.

players have the right to play the way they want to play not the way you want them to play

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-07-31 00:57:44 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
Can we please try to stay on topic.

So about these proposed changes......



I propose we change this thread to locked.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

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