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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#161 - 2014-07-30 13:46:01 UTC
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?

Yes. It is OUR planet. Our ancestors lived there, not gallenteans. And our childrens will live there. Without gallenteans and their useless federations.

Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

But if the Amarrians enslave our people, obviously they are no longer ours to take... I'd say I'm having a hard time following your logic, but I think that might be due to the absence of it. Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. Unless you're an Amarrian zealot, that is.

Amarrians DO WHAT ?!!
Please excuse me, but what year do you live in?
I mean, really... last time I heard about Amar Empire and slave numbers change, it was that they were RELEASING slaves, not enslaving anyone.

Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

I'd say I'm having a hard time following your logic

Can't blame you, after all, you are just a minmatar.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#162 - 2014-07-30 13:51:01 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
So it is true, the band of terrorists known as Ushra'Khan have finally put aside the attempt to hide their true intentions behind so called saving their people and come clean as simple, paid killers.
A bounty on the head of PIE Officers? As if the insignia itself weren't bounty enough to all the reprobates that support the terrorist, Shakor.

Not exactly killers, sir.
Just terrorists, who can't even kill themselves and pay others to do it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#163 - 2014-07-30 14:20:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ascentior wrote:
So it is true, the band of terrorists known as Ushra'Khan have finally put aside the attempt to hide their true intentions behind so called saving their people and come clean as simple, paid killers.
A bounty on the head of PIE Officers? As if the insignia itself weren't bounty enough to all the reprobates that support the terrorist, Shakor.

Not exactly killers, sir.
Just terrorists, who can't even kill themselves and pay others to do it.



You seem as misinformed as some of the Amarr young Caldari.

It is the Ushra'Khan who are being paid to take out commanding officers within the Amarr as detailed in our campaign brief.

Though that is not to say that mercenaries would not be hired for future operations......i hear some pilots within the Federation have been looking for work.

Ushra'Khan Leader + Founder // T.R.I.A.D CEO // EVEPANDORA.COM
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#164 - 2014-07-30 14:23:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ascentior wrote:
So it is true, the band of terrorists known as Ushra'Khan have finally put aside the attempt to hide their true intentions behind so called saving their people and come clean as simple, paid killers.
A bounty on the head of PIE Officers? As if the insignia itself weren't bounty enough to all the reprobates that support the terrorist, Shakor.

Not exactly killers, sir.
Just terrorists, who can't even kill themselves and pay others to do it.


I'm almost entirely sure that the State pays you to terrorize Federation space so, it's not unheard of.
Not to demean the tribal loyalists by associating them with the likes of you. Those in glass stations however...
Anslo
Scope Works
#165 - 2014-07-30 14:56:27 UTC
Diana wrote:

Yes. It is OUR planet. Our ancestors lived there, not gallenteans. And our childrens will live there. Without gallenteans and their useless federations.


They weren't your ancestors on that planet. No Achura lived there. Also your children won't live there. You're not able to have any. No wonder you're always pissed off. Must suck to be barren and unwanted.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-07-30 15:05:15 UTC
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Ascentior wrote:
So it is true, the band of terrorists known as Ushra'Khan have finally put aside the attempt to hide their true intentions behind so called saving their people and come clean as simple, paid killers.
A bounty on the head of PIE Officers? As if the insignia itself weren't bounty enough to all the reprobates that support the terrorist, Shakor.

Not exactly killers, sir.
Just terrorists, who can't even kill themselves and pay others to do it.


I'm almost entirely sure that the State pays you to terrorize Federation space so, it's not unheard of.
Not to demean the tribal loyalists by associating them with the likes of you. Those in glass stations however...

I don't take terror contracts, Mr. Thiesant.
I am a professional soldier, and I engage targets of military importance. I leave terror contracts to... amateur pilots.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#167 - 2014-07-30 15:11:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Diana wrote:

Yes. It is OUR planet. Our ancestors lived there, not gallenteans. And our childrens will live there. Without gallenteans and their useless federations.


They weren't your ancestors on that planet. No Achura lived there. Also your children won't live there. You're not able to have any. No wonder you're always pissed off. Must suck to be barren and unwanted.

Im only half Achura, but it is not your business, gallentean freak.
Maybe Im only 50% Achura, but Im 100% Caldari.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#168 - 2014-07-30 17:11:46 UTC
Mizhir wrote:


Don't worry. They are Achura so it is likely that they will breed like bunnies at some point.


This misconception has been around for a while. Indeed achura are numerous among capsuleers, but that's not due to our 'breeding speed'. If that would be true, we'd had solved the State's underpopulation a long time ago...

The large number of Achura among capsuleers stems from an old capsuleer screening program run by SuVee when it was discovered Achura had a higher then usual degree of capsuleer compatibility, hence many were encouraged to enlist as capsuleer.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2014-07-30 17:17:46 UTC
So now the gallentean boys who have absolutely no idea about anything come to offer their perspective, marvelous.

I must say, that I despise ignorant gallenteans more than matar heathens, slightly. They claim that we, chosen of God, are religious zealots. But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy' and 'insert federal political ideas here' and only back their false religion up with pure ignorance. At least the matar heathens make some sense and tell less lies. Even the heathen republic doesn't really like the stupid federation, even though they had some sort of alliance. Don't feel too bad though, the heathens never liked anyone, they only know hate.

Example is, Anslo and Laurentis Thiesant. Rather excellent example of gallentean ignorance. I can almost always see them in every thread, whining, lying, propagating idiocy and generally being an annoyance.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2014-07-30 17:33:10 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Mizhir wrote:


Don't worry. They are Achura so it is likely that they will breed like bunnies at some point.


This misconception has been around for a while. Indeed achura are numerous among capsuleers, but that's not due to our 'breeding speed'. If that would be true, we'd had solved the State's underpopulation a long time ago...

The large number of Achura among capsuleers stems from an old capsuleer screening program run by SuVee when it was discovered Achura had a higher then usual degree of capsuleer compatibility, hence many were encouraged to enlist as capsuleer.


They will ignore this fact and continue with 'Achuran breed like rabbits'. Because ignorance is bliss, a weapon that is utilized by all gallentean politician.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#171 - 2014-07-30 18:28:19 UTC
I have not read the last few pages of this thread, but something tells me that the conversation is no longer worth carrying on.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#172 - 2014-07-30 18:35:48 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
So now the gallentean boys who have absolutely no idea about anything come to offer their perspective, marvelous.

I must say, that I despise ignorant gallenteans more than matar heathens, slightly. They claim that we, chosen of God, are religious zealots. But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy' and 'insert federal political ideas here' and only back their false religion up with pure ignorance. At least the matar heathens make some sense and tell less lies. Even the heathen republic doesn't really like the stupid federation, even though they had some sort of alliance. Don't feel too bad though, the heathens never liked anyone, they only know hate.

Example is, Anslo and Laurentis Thiesant. Rather excellent example of gallentean ignorance. I can almost always see them in every thread, whining, lying, propagating idiocy and generally being an annoyance.
Astonishing, but this PIE man speaks the truth.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2014-07-30 18:42:31 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy'


Democracy is a religion now? Crap I haven't been praying!


Ohhhhhhhhhhh most sacred God of Democracy! We gather here today to glorify your name! Let us all hold hands and praise your name! Praise your name! Praise it so that the ballot boxes will be full! So that the elections will be fair! So that the results are just!

Let your holiness riiiiiise up! Rise! Into the asses of voters!

God of Democracy! Give us your strength to vanquish our foes! Let them be crushed on the debate floor! Let their blood spill on inauguration day! DECORATE THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE WITH THEIR SPLEENS!

YOU THERE! AMARRIAN! YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN DESCEND FROM THE DUNG OF MAN! AND ONLY HE CAN SAVE YOU! BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU

BALLOTS FOR THE BALLOT GOD! VOTES FOR THE VOTE THRONE! ELECTIONS FOR THE ELECTION FLAKES

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2014-07-30 21:03:06 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy'


Democracy is a religion now? Crap I haven't been praying!


Ohhhhhhhhhhh most sacred God of Democracy! We gather here today to glorify your name! Let us all hold hands and praise your name! Praise your name! Praise it so that the ballot boxes will be full! So that the elections will be fair! So that the results are just!

Let your holiness riiiiiise up! Rise! Into the asses of voters!

God of Democracy! Give us your strength to vanquish our foes! Let them be crushed on the debate floor! Let their blood spill on inauguration day! DECORATE THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE WITH THEIR SPLEENS!

YOU THERE! AMARRIAN! YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN DESCEND FROM THE DUNG OF MAN! AND ONLY HE CAN SAVE YOU! BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU

BALLOTS FOR THE BALLOT GOD! VOTES FOR THE VOTE THRONE! ELECTIONS FOR THE ELECTION FLAKES


This is rather amusing, actually. 10/10 will read your nonsense again.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#175 - 2014-07-30 21:20:53 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy'


Democracy is a religion now? Crap I haven't been praying!


Ohhhhhhhhhhh most sacred God of Democracy! We gather here today to glorify your name! Let us all hold hands and praise your name! Praise your name! Praise it so that the ballot boxes will be full! So that the elections will be fair! So that the results are just!

Let your holiness riiiiiise up! Rise! Into the asses of voters!

God of Democracy! Give us your strength to vanquish our foes! Let them be crushed on the debate floor! Let their blood spill on inauguration day! DECORATE THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE WITH THEIR SPLEENS!

YOU THERE! AMARRIAN! YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN DESCEND FROM THE DUNG OF MAN! AND ONLY HE CAN SAVE YOU! BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU

BALLOTS FOR THE BALLOT GOD! VOTES FOR THE VOTE THRONE! ELECTIONS FOR THE ELECTION FLAKES

Same thing as all gallentean politicians say, but using wordings of Fred.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2014-07-30 21:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Chronoxi wrote:


This is rather amusing, actually. 10/10 will read your nonsense again.


Then I highly suggest attending the season 3 premier of Fred Fred Frederation which will be coming Soon(TM). We film live from Dodixie so be sure your standings with the Federation are in order. If not, then I'm sure you can watch it on your holoprojector.

Hopefully ACN will stop being so butthurt and give us a time slot on their network. If they don't and you're not fond of watching it via "other methods" then I'm sure you can take a short trip to the State. Ever since Heth fell and various entertainment groups in the State got sold our we've been broadcasting all over the place!

Diana Kim wrote:
Same thing as all gallentean politicians say, but using wordings of Fred.


I've only encountered one politician that used similar rhetoric. He had a very short career too.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#177 - 2014-07-30 21:37:40 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
But they're always seen preaching the religion called 'democracy'


Democracy is a religion now? Crap I haven't been praying!


Ohhhhhhhhhhh most sacred God of Democracy! We gather here today to glorify your name! Let us all hold hands and praise your name! Praise your name! Praise it so that the ballot boxes will be full! So that the elections will be fair! So that the results are just!

Let your holiness riiiiiise up! Rise! Into the asses of voters!

God of Democracy! Give us your strength to vanquish our foes! Let them be crushed on the debate floor! Let their blood spill on inauguration day! DECORATE THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACE WITH THEIR SPLEENS!

YOU THERE! AMARRIAN! YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN DESCEND FROM THE DUNG OF MAN! AND ONLY HE CAN SAVE YOU! BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU

BALLOTS FOR THE BALLOT GOD! VOTES FOR THE VOTE THRONE! ELECTIONS FOR THE ELECTION FLAKES

Amen, Democracy Victor.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#178 - 2014-07-30 21:44:30 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I've only encountered one politician that used similar rhetoric. He had a very short career too.

Most f them just use different words, and they would try to convince you that giving your spleen is a very noble deed. Well, in fact, they won't say it at all, they will just ask you to do some "good deed" for the federation, without explaining you all details and consequences.

Hell, they could even try to convince you, that democracy itself is... a good thing.
But I have no idea how stupid one should be to believe in this, unless you are a gallentean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#179 - 2014-07-31 01:59:48 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:

Example is, Anslo and Laurentis Thiesant. Rather excellent example of gallentean ignorance. I can almost always see them in every thread, whining, lying, propagating idiocy and generally being an annoyance.


I'm proud of the fact that the Federation has been for centuries dedicated to providing the best objective education to its citizens, which, as part of our winning formula, has allowed us to build New Eden's strongest economy and freest society.

Other nations may be forced to throw mud and to sledge Gallentean individuals, they may need to make up stories about our values and institutions. It is telling that all we need is facts, data, and the reality of the situation.

Aren't you concerned that negative campaigning and irrational hatred is all you have left?

Nevertheless, we in the Federation are focused on the future - on building opportunity and growth for everyone, respecting human rights and dignity, and defending truth, justice, and reason.

... And repelling House Kador fleets, of course.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2014-07-31 02:11:12 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I've only encountered one politician that used similar rhetoric. He had a very short career too.

Most f them just use different words, and they would try to convince you that giving your spleen is a very noble deed. Well, in fact, they won't say it at all, they will just ask you to do some "good deed" for the federation, without explaining you all details and consequences.

Hell, they could even try to convince you, that democracy itself is... a good thing.
But I have no idea how stupid one should be to believe in this, unless you are a gallentean.


Hate to admit it but you are right about democracy not being everyone's cup of coffee. The Republic tried. It didn't work very well. We went back to our roots instead. That one seemed to be working.

Democracy only really works for a certain kind of mentality and culture, assuming that the mentality doesn't change. It assumes that every man, woman and child of the nation cares about their nation and the direction their nation is heading, and that they will all take the trouble educating themselves in matters of the nation and can be counted on to make informed decisions.

As we had seen, the reality is something else entirely. The Federation itself sees lower and lower voter turnouts every election unless something particularly traumatic happens. The masses tend to vote more on what's popular, or vote based on what terrifies/angers them at the time, rather than any kind of solid info on what the parties stand for. It is a fortunate thing that visionary leaders in the Federation are also really good at PR, at least that's how it seems to me, and the masses eventually figured out they made a mistake (though usually after several years of further traumatic tragedies). Otherwise democracy wouldn't had worked at all.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.