Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not saying to straight double super/titan jump costs. I'm saying to give the smaller capitals a means by which to reduce their jump costs.

As far as mass affecting jump fuel usage, whats really fun is when you realize every single item in the game has a "mass" attribute that has never done anything.

The price should be much higher. Teleporting around in EvE should be very expensive.

Where is this tooltip you're talking about?

Hover the cursor over the jump fuel requirement in the info tab.

What I was meaning was that even outright removing jump drives completely will not remove or even significantly hurt power projection. All it would change would how it happens. Ans ofc the Malcanis law applies still. Anything you do that squeezes established power blocks in a way they notice logistics wise will outright neuter the smaller not so established groups.

To be more precise and explain in more detail why teleporting egg's is still a viable form of power projection. The only difference between hopping a carrier blob around is that you need a bit more preparation as you need to have sufficient hardware present where you are going while with a carrier you are just dragging your pile of crap with you. Even outright removal of jump drives does not prevent an established powerblock having a suitable number of doctrine ships prepared in predetermined locations. Even without jump freighters there are ways of moving large amount of "stuff" around. For example, I have built an outpost 45 ly deep in null without needing to use jump drives for moving the egg and the upgrades through gates or by titan/jump bridges. All it took was a little patience and I was able to find suitable wormholes to move about 6 T1 freighters out there without losing a single one. Just for extra safety you can escort one with dozen falcons and few webbers if you feel like it as it makes it significantly less likely that you lose one by random unluck.

The smaller entities might not have the resources and logistical capability to maintain number of fleet doctrines in convenient spots all over EVE.

By the same logic - if you increase the fuel costs to the level where it prevents a large power-block teleporting their carrier blob 60 light years to the left all that happens is that they will have a pile of these carriers stockpiled in a small number of prepared locations, they will jump clone / death clone there and will be on grid even faster (and with lower probability of being delayed by a suicide bubbler in some midpoint by few minutes) while any smaller or not so established entity will be crippled by increased costs to the point where all they can field is interceptor swarm unless it's happening within 1 jump of their staging area. It would also nuke any viability of actually living in deeper regions as it is still not possible to be fully self sufficient in null sec because of how the resources have been distributed in EVE.

This is it. You are missing the vital point. There isn't such thing as total security, but security issues should be attended and it's level should be kept high enough anyway. This stays the same in the case of power projection too.

The goal is not remove power projection but make projecting power very daunting and time consuming task if done beyond (now shrinked even more) jump drive coverage. What you described is perfectly acceptable - this will enshure that no one will push limits so hard without absolute, crucial need. So no more capital fleet drops on subcap ratting gangs out of boredom. From the other angle, if you just moved all your main forces well beyond your jump drive coverage with some other slower and less convinient, and more risky methods of travel, you can't move them back easly, which opens wide avenues for counterstrikes and treacherous backstabs to you own home systems. This won't allow to just control all space around with your core, trusted blob. You either sit at home and don't project your power, or you rely totally on diplomatics relations with those allies settled adjacent to your own home - as they should be responsible to protect it while you are went out to war.

And that adds to the uncertainty too, as now this allies don't fear you so much too, as you can't project power so well. So if you mistaken their intentions and move your forces out to some distant region and it will need like a week to relocate them back - they can backstab you, and do this instantly as your home region is in their jump drive coverage. Moreover, your allies on the outskirts of your huge empire now will less fearfull of you too, because of this. As you won't be able to stomp them easly in case of disobidience without overprojecting you power, you will have to rely on your other allies, situated close to them - and which you can control as they are in your jump drive coverage - to deliver the punishment. Again, it will place more emphasis on dimplomacy, which is good as adds more interest to the politics and more uncertainty to the game world.

So dimplomatic and trust issues becomes even more of a problem, and will deliver powerfull shakes to any empire from time to time - which is exaclty what we need.

So, this simple fix will serve two goals at once:
1) Make power projection more tedious and risky and time consuming task - so it will happen less frequently and will impose more risks on entity doing this.
2) Lower stability and shorten lifespan of huge alliances, especially if they try to project their power well beyond (now shrinked) jump drive's coverage.