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Me VS. the CODE??

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-07-30 01:18:41 UTC
Dis gon' be gud.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Trisha Landers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-30 01:20:48 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
EVE online terms of service


You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

I haven't heard of anyone in CODE falsifying tickets, sending excessive mail / tickets, or obstructing CCP.


2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

I'm not familiar with CODE agents typically doing this. If minerbumping is to be believed however then a lot of miners and mission runners are breaking this rule after interacting with CODE affiliates.


3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

I'm not familiar with CODE encouraging any of this, other than advocating against botting. But then pretty much everyone is against that.


So I'm not sure how their role-playing is breaking any of the rules. If anything it seems like a lot of miners and mission runners are the ones that would be reprimanded by CCP since they seem to tend towards real life threats and fairly vulgar language.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#23 - 2014-07-30 01:21:27 UTC
I'm pretty sure CODE knows the limits of what they can and cannot get away with doing. And ganking newbies in newbie systems is not something they will be doing. They target people they know aren't newbies.

Now if you are a newbie in a newbie system and you got ganked by CODE... sure, you may have a point. But it did not happen.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#24 - 2014-07-30 01:22:25 UTC
Why does the OP read like it was written by CODE? Same people.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#25 - 2014-07-30 01:33:36 UTC
JTClone Ares wrote:
All the code is are bullies and they are about to kill a major part of new players by setting up an event to kill ventures and noob's in rookie systems. At the moment all the code really wants are killmails and say hey look at us we are the bad a** players of eve. The only reason i did those speeches against the code was to get everyone to know how they treat other players of eve. Their mental attitude is to have everyone in high sec play the way they want eve players to play. By what ganking other players and fueling your own killmails.

A majority of us don't give a flying rip about killmails we decide to either build the game and develop an area of the games foundation, and all the code is doing is taking that foundation and ripping it apart. On their main website code takes the pleasure of using us high sec carebears and showing anyone who reads the site on how violent we are in local.

All we are doing is treating the code how they treat us.(this is where the old saying comes in: "treat others the way you want to be treated")

I prefer to use the truth as a weapon and those who cant handle it can cry me a river build me a bridge and get over it. Right now if code gets to gank as many ventures and kills a good part of the players who play eve. Then that means a couple of things:

1. Code is using the Eula agreement to their advantage
2. Telling everyone who is in high sec to play their way when it is a sandbox game which means everyone is allowed to do what ever they want to do in eve
3. the Eula Agreement is an agreement that lets other people know before playing a game that we want people who understand what they are getting into and know what can happen if something does happen
4. Eve is made for everyone not just a few(the needs of many outweigh the few)

CCP I urge you do so something because i am not leaving this game because i love playing eve with friends. And i do encourage to to get on these idiots who are playing you for fouls because the last thing i want to see is eve go down the toilet like a game i use to play called global agenda(only hackers, multiboxers, losers play it now) and when the game community had asked for something to be done about them and they had left it to the needs of few instead of listening to the needs of many.

CCP you need to draw a fine line of where old players cannot become a few players then those few players pick on everyone just to say hey look at us we are the bada** players of eve and we have cause a majority of eve to leave game. That is something i will stand up against and enough is enough.

CODE have been extorting other players which is legal in the game but picking on other players and having them hang and dry on their main website and saying look at how these players treat us and we should kill them all just to fuel our needs. so when did the needs of a few outweigh the many. it never did.

I do in fact encourage other players to not buy a permit to use what ever weapon they have against the code and not give them any respect or honor because respect and honor is earned and it can never be taken.

the code needs to earn its respect as well as its honor. It has none and never will be since they are using the mechanics and systems for their own fun.

And should i remind everyone eve is a sandbox game and anything can happen in it. But when you have an opposing force come in and say how everyone should play the game and only to use everyone else for their own fun is just plain wrong. Since when did playing a sandbox MMO start to become an Empire Build game where only a few players play it(ie less then 200).

The code and everyone who hates be is allowed to have their own opinion but the moment you say my opinion is not like yours sorry but you can not shove your own opinion down mine and say what you want and get your ways when i am around. I like to help other players and have each player have their own voice instead of everyone having 1 voice.

The best Leaders to ever lead, lead by example never by force or fear.

and yes i did re-copy this from dryson's own discussion and yes this is all my own words and i mean 100% of it. If you can't say anything nice don't say it all but i do treat other players on how they treat me. I am a nice guy until someone uses me for their own game and pleasure. Sorry code but you don't deserve to be the righteous saviors of high sec because you came out to take out the bots of eve not just the individual players who have say less then 2 accounts. I do agree 3 should be the max and anything over is just wrong. Next time before biting off to much then you can chew know everything about your target's never just a few. And yes i do know your plans about sending rookies my way and trying to awox me. Next time you decide to have a player train for just the catalyst and have them say i want the best DPS gunboat i will look at you and i will be looking down at you.

Oh and one more thing my view on who ever decided to put an event out to kill players who mine in ventures and are still getting use to playing eve should be banned right then and there. You never pick on the young and newer players because it is them who will end up replacing the old. and Yes the new do in fact have to replace the old because not 1 man can live forever, and all kingdoms do fall at one point.


Dude CODE is an high sec alliance and if they want to control high sec well you know that CCP will not do anything about it.

And this is a sandbox game you either put up with it or you go to low sec or null sec or Wormhole space you will not see CODE in those areas.

So as far as i am concerned EvE is working as intended. Big smile

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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#26 - 2014-07-30 01:41:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
tldr

The Code always wins, by the way.



Not always
Janisa Ad-Drelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-07-30 01:48:46 UTC
Came for miner tears
Left satisfied
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-30 01:51:32 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
I'm pretty sure CODE knows the limits of what they can and cannot get away with doing. And ganking newbies in newbie systems is not something they will be doing. They target people they know aren't newbies.

Now if you are a newbie in a newbie system and you got ganked by CODE... sure, you may have a point. But it did not happen.


But this is not a CODE member only event. They may know, but the people they are encouraging may not. I see this new event backfiring on CODE and hurting EVE. Ventures are heavily used by newbs, and if enough complain and quit, CCP will be forced to do something to nerf ganking in order to help keep new players. That would be bad for EVE as a whole.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#29 - 2014-07-30 01:52:01 UTC
JTClone Ares wrote:
- lots of stuff -

Basically you got it all wrong.

I considered going through your post, dissecting it line by line to show you your errors - for example like obviously not knowing what a rookie system is, or that everyone in this game is obviously playing by the same rules and that asking to change those rules to make others play the way you want would make you a hypocrite.

But then I thought why bother. Instead I just show you a picture of some kids who got it right:
Mining
P
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2014-07-30 02:18:48 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
JTClone Ares wrote:
- lots of stuff -

Basically you got it all wrong.

I considered going through your post, dissecting it line by line to show you your errors - for example like obviously not knowing what a rookie system is, or that everyone in this game is obviously playing by the same rules and that asking to change those rules to make others play the way you want would make you a hypocrite.

But then I thought why bother. Instead I just show you a picture of some kids who got it right:
Mining
P

Wait until CONCORD gets buffed enough, then we'll see who you'll be praying to

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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#31 - 2014-07-30 02:21:30 UTC
I was under the impression ganking in new player systems isn't allowed? Also. Thanks for killing the game code.

I discourage running with scissors.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#32 - 2014-07-30 02:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Realtalk time;

CODE agents are aware of the EULA and the rules about harassing newbies in rookie systems. You will not see it happen.

You also fail to recognize that venture ganking is a rookie friendly activity. Training into a catalyst capable of popping a venture can be done in mere hours. Newbies will be able to enjoy the experience of code enforcement from day one.

Enjoying exploding spaceships consistently and early can only help player retention.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Tucker Koraka
Timeless Knights
#33 - 2014-07-30 02:50:49 UTC
I'm not trying to defend CODE, but their ganking has actually helped keep competing miners in my system to a very small few. Which has been great for me. Also, the few CODEies I have talked weren't the douche bags that the OP seems to think they are. I honestly kind of like having them around. Keeps things interesting.
Paranoid Loyd
#34 - 2014-07-30 02:54:50 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Enjoying exploding spaceships consistently and early can only help player retention.


This is what everyone needs to understand. The further along you get without learning to defend yourself the harder it is to learn.

There is no better way to learn to defend yourself then by learning about how "the bad guys" operate.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2014-07-30 03:09:10 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
You also fail to recognize that venture ganking is a rookie friendly activity. Training into a catalyst capable of popping a venture can be done in mere hours. Newbies will be able to enjoy the experience of code enforcement from day one.

Enjoying exploding spaceships consistently and early can only help player retention.

Wow, not bad.

How much are these catalysts?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-30 03:20:42 UTC
Arancar Australis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
tldr

The Code always wins, by the way.



Not always


Yes, always.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#37 - 2014-07-30 03:21:28 UTC
OP, stop tears. Fly tanked and rigged Procurer or Skiff. CODE FAIL in both cases. Take a nap if you want while mining.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-07-30 03:25:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
You also fail to recognize that venture ganking is a rookie friendly activity. Training into a catalyst capable of popping a venture can be done in mere hours. Newbies will be able to enjoy the experience of code enforcement from day one.

Enjoying exploding spaceships consistently and early can only help player retention.

Wow, not bad.

How much are these catalysts?


They are about 300,000 market buy in most school systems :D

In comparison i just picked up 200 ventures @ 125k each at one of the Gallante schools.



Any ship that is a freebie for new players is dirt cheap to buy.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#39 - 2014-07-30 03:31:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
You also fail to recognize that venture ganking is a rookie friendly activity. Training into a catalyst capable of popping a venture can be done in mere hours. Newbies will be able to enjoy the experience of code enforcement from day one.

Enjoying exploding spaceships consistently and early can only help player retention.

Wow, not bad.

How much are these catalysts?


Why, practically nothing.

For a few million isk, you can purchase a T1 fit catalyst capable of delivering fatal blows to ventures.

But that's not all! James 315, saviour of high sec, in his benevolence, will reimburse these losses to those who enforce the code, even if they aren't alliance members.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#40 - 2014-07-30 03:33:22 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
EVE online terms of service


You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/


Hahaha, what?

You can't use roleplay as a defence for breaking the EULA. So, CODE for example (nor me or anyone else), cannot use roleplay as a defence if they went and targeted rookie systems (or SOE epic arc systems) as that has been ruled as not allowed.

Roleplay in the forum and other forms of roleplay in game are not a breach of the EULA (which includes the TOS).

JTClone Areas has done the latter (roleplayed in a thread), not the former (used roleplay as a defence for breaching the EULA). I doubt CODE would be stupid enough to do that either.

It's harmless fun. Nothing more; and not something to take seriously on either side.

You're a liar, a hypocrit and an ... eww banhammer.

Get the hell out of my sight!

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

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