Wormholes

Exactly my thinking, would make it nice for newbros to just have them nuke the BMs when a chain gets rolled and not worry bout other stuff getting the axe.

The PoD express is something our prophet came up with. TBH escalations as conflict drivers makes not much sense to me. Enough free w-space. Boring for everyone involved. Rather fight over sites and expose a ratting fleet outside home fortress.




Been a while since i have been in C6 space:

You get roughly 1 new site spawn per day.
You run all sites (including the newly spawned) for 4 days
Each time you run a site it pays you something like 800 mil
So all these factors stack multiplicative:

1*7*4*800mil = 28 capital escalations per week = 22.4 bil/week

Not sure if 800 mil is right but then you clear em on your 4th day for a slightly better payout.

Nullsec gets moongoo income. We get escal income. Which doesn't even come close but it works we like it. Anyone suggesting to remove the escals for multiple days that benefits 2-3 farming corps more. They still get their payouts while alliances get their ability to fund fuel and srp and such slashed.

I am not advocating the OP position, however, the statement that the defender is in general advantaged is not correct either. When thinking back through the history of system assaults which I have been involved with I can not think of a single one where the defender had the advantage. The nature of New Eden is that the attacker withholds pressing forward with the operation until he believes that he has not just a superior position but a vastly superior one.

I do think that the difficulty of getting forces back in contributes to the unwillingness to fly ships that are already likely lost. As such when given the choice of logging valuables off or of fighting most pick logging their stuff out. Allowing the defenders or attackers re - entry via a clone jump might not be the best answer but that inability is central to why invasions are the way they are. Perhaps running the other side out of ships would be more interesting than the current lack of engagements. Instead of dismissing it based on the idea that it eliminates the current tactic of victory via the other side not having any pilots, perhaps we should look at the bigger picture of what would be more interesting gameplay.

Atleast as much as anything else I've generally seen people lose systems due to being unprepared, whether its naivety, hubris, a lack of foresight or just being sloppy - maybe with the mentality of "it happens to other people not me" then when someone does siege their system they are on the back foot even when they should have had the advantage.

Do agree though that most people don't attack unless they have a significant advantage when sieging a system - not always the case though.

A lot of the advantage goes away because of armor T3s or gtfo. You can´t just look at what the attackers bring and then use the counterships from your SMAs. Also the brawling nature means you are almost always bubbled when your ship goes poof. I remember fighting the starbridge Tengus or some macharielfleets where your pod wasn´t forfeit when you tried fighting against the odds.
The other advantages are POSdefenses, normally countered by just bringing enough people, and moar capital in system. But by now capseeding beforehand or with holecontrol has become pretty easy, with pilots having more funds for spare caps, higher SP levels and better knowledge.
The ability for recloning back inside the hole would probably just lead to defenders throwing welpcanes or alphanados at the other party until they run out of caps or ships. Ofc that could be fun too

I suspect station games in w-space would see w-space become barren rather quickly, while that could be argued over whether it would be a good thing or not ultimately it would bring a good amount of what is wrong with nullsec to w-space.


While I'm not in favor of being able to clone jump into w-space in any shape and form if it was implemented then at the very least it would have to be 1 shot i.e. you need to physically bring the clone in initially to be able to jump back into it and jumping into the wormhole in that manner wouldn't let you install another clone to repeatedly do that with.

I disagree. If clone jumping were possible system control would be established and held the same way it is everywhere else in New Eden, by removing offensive ships and structures. Whether this is a good change or not is not clear. But what is clear is that the existing siege mechanic where one side hopes for rescue from outside while preserving their ability to log out one ship is terribly dull and not very much fun for either side. It is strange that we cling so fiercely to maintain a pretty terrible status quo where both the attacker and defender have a dreadful weekend.

That sounds like a lot more fun than any siege I can remember.

That's exactly why I want this to go back to a red. Being a green is just way too dangerous as such very few people mine unless they do as you indicated, in which case they're back in POS before I even jump the WH. A a red, it gives that extra layer of security. That extra layer breeds complacency, don't need to watch the Fail Scanner when you can watch Dscan for probes etc. Complacency is what allows a hunter to catch it's prey out here.