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Should I give up on Null?
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Venjenz Sake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-07-29 01:10:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
And, the bolded part is hilarious. So, Dinsdales exist in MMOs other than EVE I see.

On every MMO forum ever, the devs hate everyone and are clearly out to punish their entire playerbase for their insolence.

Goes back to Gary Gygax, the first dev to start griefing players back when it was pen & paper. Downhill ever since. Cry
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2014-07-29 02:32:17 UTC
Venjenz Sake wrote:


Goes back to Gary Gygax, the first dev to start griefing players back when it was pen & paper. Downhill ever since. Cry



Though to be honest, once Wizards/Hasbro successfully ousted Gygax they were worse than he ever was.
Venjenz Sake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-07-29 02:45:06 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Venjenz Sake wrote:


Goes back to Gary Gygax, the first dev to start griefing players back when it was pen & paper. Downhill ever since. Cry



Though to be honest, once Wizards/Hasbro successfully ousted Gygax they were worse than he ever was.

Truth, but I think the point is...devs hate gamers. Twisted

For proof, read any game forum ever.

Oh yeah, EVE is dying, lowsec is abandoned, nullsec is the Illuminati's plan to infiltrate our brains, and the devs made it so highsec L1s earn 3 billion ISK per minute, but only for their friends and only for whatever ship you aren't using....and yeah I have proof!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-07-29 03:42:05 UTC
In null you are supposed to PVP because you want to and PVE because you have to. If you have it the other way around, then chances are it's not the place for you.

Intercepting enemy raids, escorting your haulers carrying precious supplies, launching an attack on the enemy, sneaking into enemy territory and harassing their PVErs and Industrialist, and of course the giant battles with thousands of people are what Null Sec is all about.

You PVE so you can keep PVPing; not PVP so you can keep PVEing.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2014-07-29 03:56:42 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
In null you are supposed to PVP because you want to and PVE because you have to. If you have it the other way around, then chances are it's not the place for you.

Intercepting enemy raids, escorting your haulers carrying precious supplies, launching an attack on the enemy, sneaking into enemy territory and harassing their PVErs and Industrialist, and of course the giant battles with thousands of people are what Null Sec is all about.

You PVE so you can keep PVPing; not PVP so you can keep PVEing.

If you rather pve, consider a rental program (for a corp in a rental program).

The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere may have a place in your heart ~<3

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-07-29 06:06:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
In null you are supposed to PVP because you want to and PVE because you have to. If you have it the other way around, then chances are it's not the place for you.

Intercepting enemy raids, escorting your haulers carrying precious supplies, launching an attack on the enemy, sneaking into enemy territory and harassing their PVErs and Industrialist, and of course the giant battles with thousands of people are what Null Sec is all about.

You PVE so you can keep PVPing; not PVP so you can keep PVEing.

If you rather pve, consider a rental program (for a corp in a rental program).

The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere may have a place in your heart ~<3


I guess that's what rental programs are for. But even renters have to defend themselves to some degree, and that *GASP* requires shooting other players.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2014-07-29 08:44:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
In null you are supposed to PVP because you want to and PVE because you have to. If you have it the other way around, then chances are it's not the place for you.

Intercepting enemy raids, escorting your haulers carrying precious supplies, launching an attack on the enemy, sneaking into enemy territory and harassing their PVErs and Industrialist, and of course the giant battles with thousands of people are what Null Sec is all about.

You PVE so you can keep PVPing; not PVP so you can keep PVEing.

If you rather pve, consider a rental program (for a corp in a rental program).

The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere may have a place in your heart ~<3


Iv'e already been a rented for nearly 4 months. Out in outer passage. Got 20m an hour doing anomalies. Not loot and after a while we gave up on salvaging. Data and combat sites weren't worth doing.
DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#88 - 2014-07-29 08:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DeadDuck
I think this prety much summs up whats happening in the supposed PVP land

Yep I lived for years in 0.0 and in these last months it was becoming uterly boring to live there so I quit 0.0 and TBH it was the brightest think I could do.

0.0 is reduced to a (bad) joke where 2 mega clusters coexist pretending they dont like each other but not enough to do something about it. The isks, from the renter empires, are flowing so the leaders on both blocks (the ones still playing the game) are happy with it.

Yep, currently, living in 0.0 is dull, very boring and the fastest way to go inactive.

Where is the fun of EVE at the moment? In low sec, specially in the FW areas where a mix of Militias, Pirates, and sometimes even big alliances clash on complexes and gates of these areas. For that you dont need to belong to a 0.0 alliance, you just go to an area of your preference and you almost have guaranteed fire works and an insurance payout.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#89 - 2014-07-29 12:20:30 UTC
*looks at my killboard and wallet*

I dunno man, catch has been pretty damn sweet for me so far. far better than high or low and it has been waaaaaaay less work than wh space was. dear god but was wh space a lot of work.

must be the corp/alliance im in.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#90 - 2014-07-29 12:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
silly phone, double posting like that.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2014-07-29 15:04:56 UTC
Nemah Xadi wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.


Yeah guys Eve is supposed to be about love and caring about eachother.


We go out every Thursday and show our love for the Caldari FW and pirate pilots in the area with our Thrashers 1 volley at a time.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2014-07-29 15:08:31 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:

The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. .




It's not even a bitter-vet syndrome.

It's because PvE (only) and (PvP only/mainly) don't mix very well. PvE players want to do their own thing, PvP players want to get PvE players PvPing.

Saga of Ryzom (now just called Ryzom) released in Sept 2004 had just a PvE community as the PvP element that was supposed to be in-game wasn't ready. It had a really good community back then, but it turned bad after the PvP element was added at a later date. Still had some good elements but as a community as a whole it wasn't so good. That's what happens when you introduce PvP into a PvE game (as it was released 'Saga of Ryzom').

Now EVE is a PvP game that has a PvE element and hence a PvE community. Parts of the community are great but the community will never be great as a whole because the two sides don't mix very well.


You could bait a fight with what appears to be PVE players.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2014-07-29 15:14:27 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
I think this prety much summs up whats happening in the supposed PVP land

I see vince draken's northern associates will win eve online

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#94 - 2014-07-29 15:24:41 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
...cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it...


If local was removed...
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#95 - 2014-07-29 15:51:30 UTC
lowsec
Bigo mendozkevich
THE MENDOZKIEVICH CORP
#96 - 2014-07-31 00:41:01 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
You already know the answer. Leave null and be free. Play your sandbox and not the sandbox of others.



Best response concerning this subject.....+1 for you sir.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#97 - 2014-07-31 02:34:52 UTC
The New Order way:

1) Make a few friends.
2) Form a tight little gang of whatever.
3) Undock.
4) Go ruin someones day.
5) Win eve.

This is omni-sec philosophy that's really works!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Steven Shen
Flat Earth Believers
#98 - 2014-07-31 03:34:04 UTC
high sec --> safe but low income,
null sec --> dangerous but high income,
low sec --> very dangerous! You have to fight against others but it's really interesting, I love low sec!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2014-07-31 03:45:42 UTC
Steven Shen wrote:
null sec --> dangerous but high income,

Not according so some posters right here in General Discussion.

According to the Blue Donut theory of nullsec....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-07-31 03:47:54 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
...cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it...


If local was removed...

What you quoted isn't a problem. What you replied isn't a solution.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)