Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As the current game stands, i dont want to go into null sec and become a sheep.

However, make the changes so that if i get a few or 20 say mates along in dreads, we could take control of a system in 10 minutes. How by having one module that controls the system.

No sov system should force anyone to do PvE.

After listening to Podside #224, im even more in favor of nerfing power projection. Having to move such big ships should take time and effort. I like that. It does indeed make space bigger and more vast.

I hope CCP goes this route.

If Jump bridges were removed would that not also nerf the capabilities of massive subcap fleets to bounce around freely as well?

Combined with changing sov to something that requires at least some pilots to be in system maintaining sov I think it would make it far harder to gather pilots from all over null into one place for one big fight. If it meant they had to jump all the way there and all the way back in battleships it might not be practical to gather all forces into one spot. PL could still use their capital superiority on the front lines knowing there CFC can't just jump fleets of sub capitals behind them, so capital ships might become more vital as a strategic resource since they would effectively form the front line for both defense and offense in major bloc wars. PL could keep their capital fleet in key front line systems and CFC would not be able to overwhelm them?

With the suggested nerf in the Op it basically removes JB anyways. Not sure if I'm reading it correctly but it sounds like you would just end up giving yourself another form of a "gate" to get to an adjacent system which would slow things down a bit but in all actuality the work around ( yet again keeping CFC together ) would just be to position multiple Titans in strategic systems to be the "Jump Bridges" CFC would need to get to wherever NCDot or PL were crawling to in their Capital fleet.

Not really understanding what you are getting at with the PL using their Caps as front line superiority as they would never be able to keep up with sub cap movement "taking SOV" etc. Maybe you are tying in other ideas in the Op I'm not.

A SOV system that requires you to be in system to maintain it I just don’t get at all. If you're not in system why can't it simply just be that someone else can be, mining, ratting, docking, trading, and whatever. If you are there, then you can fight them off because you're supposed to be "occupying" the system, constellation, region, and therefore have enough people to do it. If you don’t then I guess you need to stand aside and let them take or do what they want until you do.
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Also, instead of getting rid of jump drives, why not introduce spool up and spool down timers for capitol and supercapitol ships. When jumping to a cyno the jumpdrive has a spoolup timer that needs to be activated before it can jump which prevents movement, and a spooldown timer after the jump, with the spooldown preventing highslot activation, warping and docking. The spoolup and spool down timers could be adjusted for each class. Say 10 minutes up and 2 down for dreads, 6 up and 6 down for carriers, 8 up and 4 down for supers, 12 up 10 down for titans and 5 up and 1 down for jump freighters. The timer would still affect the titan when bridging subcaps through although the subcaps themselves would remain unaffected. These figures are just examples and can obviously be adjusted for balancing. These changes would nerf power projection to a degree and also give a boost in usage of subcaps. This change would also tie in well with the concept of occupancy sov that Snot Shot suggested above.

Submission Date: 10 September 2010

CCP released a new sovereignty system in the beginning of 2010. there were a lot of features that were planned and subsequently dropped, and this has caused the system not to act in the way it was designed. In short, people still don't like the sov grind. It is not common for people to say they love taking sov systems, and is the top complaint I receive from my own alliance.

Here are a list of complaints collected from a general population, intentionally kept high level and general:


Too much HP. from what I hear, features that were intended to counteract this got dropped, so now we just get left with a ton of EHP to kill that nobody likes doing. re-balance this with the understanding that these compensatory features will probably never come into being.
Sov relies entirely on the numbers of people participating and the EHP of structures. If that's the way it's meant to be, can we at least make the inevitable conclusion come a bit sooner?
Station services are rarely worth taking out unless you have nothing better to do between timers- they take too long to kill.
Capital, supercapital, station, cynojammer, jump bridge, large structure inflation. It is inevitable in any MMO that the endgame items will end up commonplace. So perhaps the balancing needs to reflect this new reality. Objects that were meant as centerpieces are now owned by a large percentage of the population. Some specific suggestions involve nerfing supercaps, and making outposts destructible. Fleets of hictors are no longer able to tackle a sizable fleet of titans due to the doomsday.
Timers are way too long and are organized in a way that does not encourage fights. It discourages turnover of sov systems. The holding alliance needs to be practically dead or tiny in comparison with its attacker in order to lose a system. Few or no sov turnovers in recent memory have involved a defending alliance that wasn't inactive already.
Dreads have lost their unique purpose in sov warfare and are vastly inferior to the supercap alternatives.
Sov warfare is not fun and generally only serves as a means to an end which is the actual fun. a "necessary evil", but it is never the goal in itself.
Absolutely no small gang objectives for sov warfare. even if a small gang runs around completely unopposed they can do no harm whatsoever to the defending alliance simply due to the EHP involved. The worst they can do is make people dock up and temporarily disrupt ratting operations only in the system they are in.
Only a small amount of time determines the fate of sov. If you control the system for 22 hours a day and you don't for the one critical hour, you lose the system. this results in time zone battles mattering so much, and causing "alarm clock" ops that disrupt people's real lives.
lag is mentioned as a big factor in the problems of sov warfare. The roots of the complaint are twofold- technical problems, and the fact that the current design encourages single huge battles and make everyone throw everything plus the kitchen sink into one single fight. The first cause is an unrelated issue, but the second ought to be considered in the design.