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CCP: You have all the data, run a killboard with it.

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Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-06 23:02:18 UTC
So, your devpost about the blowing up of things the other day was fun to read, and it occurred to me-- if you guys have access to all the statistical information in EVE, why not make a really cool killboard with it? 3rd party boards are alright, but you guys could run one that was completely accurate and very detailed.
2SLOW Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-06 23:45:51 UTC
2nd that.......
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#3 - 2011-12-07 01:19:25 UTC
Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.

Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others.
Cendres Ange
Frontier Venture
#4 - 2011-12-07 08:30:19 UTC
If not a complete killboard, It would be fun to have that kind of statistics they posted available and up to date. How many Drakes was shot down last week. How many pilots podded etc etc.
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#5 - 2011-12-07 08:34:38 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.


Totally second that. To add to this, I'd like an opt-out (or better opt-in) to the "feature" that the CEO has access to the member's killmails and can run a corp kb just by providing his own API key. And the killmails in themselves give way too much info about the victim's loadout and his cargo.
Jicc
Happy fragles
#6 - 2011-12-07 09:06:43 UTC
Why you assume already that it will display all of the data. It could be enough to see how much ships i destroyed and what type, without even displaying who was flying it. Just simple data, but confirmed. And there could be even option that you wont agree to display your data in ladder but i dont know why someone would like to use this.
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-07 10:24:28 UTC
YES Male an killboard, the others suck tbh.
Chanina
ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES
#8 - 2011-12-07 10:35:08 UTC
Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.

Concerning privacy:
Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.

If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it.
GeneralKool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-07 13:45:47 UTC
Chanina wrote:
Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.

Concerning privacy:
Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.

If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it.


This.

There's no hiding your losses in eve, if it were possible, we would not find out about people losing ships full of plexes, or the embarrassed ratting supercaps that get ganked. Privacy really isn't an option here. But it still is a great idea, a CCP killboard is the way forward. The EVE GATE was an amazing success imo, a similar interface for a CCP killboard would be much welcomed.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#10 - 2011-12-07 15:01:01 UTC
I just would like to see kills and losses, honestly. Namely, what ships are the most used/flown/killing/killed.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#11 - 2011-12-07 16:33:11 UTC
they could easily integrate the Eve/CCP Killboard into Eve Gate and if people are concerned about privacy then just like other things in EVE GATE you could have options to hide kill/loss details. Same options available to those who are CEO or have director roles of Alliances/Corps for the Ally/Corp Profile. Viola. Wouldnt even take them but maybe a few months to do it and it would be very cool.

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-08 00:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
Regarding privacy, I don't think people should be allowed any kind of "opt out" (especially since such provisions would be more or less useless-- the killer and victim both get the mail), but maybe there could be an opt-in "delay my mails" feature that would keep them (or at least parts of them, like location or attacker's shiptype information) private for up to X hours (user configurable, up to 24hr max perhaps?).

e: The more i think about it, the more I like the above idea. It would be really cool if they could integrate it with EVE Gate so you could choose who gets access to real time kill info (IE my corp, my alliance, my positive contacts list, etc).
Mirima Thurander
#13 - 2011-12-08 05:57:22 UTC
o yes just what eve needs MORE stats for the stat junkys to jerk off to and show all there friends and talk about how epic there K/D ration is or how there winning the isk war even tho they have not managed to flip the station.



YES PLEASE GIVE ME MORE KMs we all need more KMs in a game that has nothing to do with comparing stats,

i did not know EvE had devolved into some kinda sports game where people track there favorite teams stats and brag to there co workers







All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-08 06:47:55 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
o yes just what eve needs MORE stats for the stat junkys to jerk off to and show all there friends and talk about how epic there K/D ration is or how there winning the isk war even tho they have not managed to flip the station.



YES PLEASE GIVE ME MORE KMs we all need more KMs in a game that has nothing to do with comparing stats,

i did not know EvE had devolved into some kinda sports game where people track there favorite teams stats and brag to there co workers


Spoken like someone without a 5 year kill history to browse through. Nostalgia owns.
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#15 - 2011-12-08 07:23:32 UTC
Make it configurable. A matrix of...


  1. Everyone
  2. positive standing
  3. +10 standing
  4. Corp
  5. Alliance


crossed with


  1. Immediate
  2. time-delayed
  3. full data
  4. limited data (i.e. only recoverable items)


Given these settings, if CCP decides to run an own killboard/ladder/whatever, it should be treated with the access level "everyone".

Even if I cannot influence the winner posting a full killmail with me being the loser, I really don't want to publicize even more data making my movements/favourite ships and loadouts and whatever even more identifiable.


And before you ask: Yes, I refuse to have a Failbook or Google+ account as well.

Mindnut
Rockbiter Industries
#16 - 2011-12-08 10:47:37 UTC
A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm...
+1

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Mirima Thurander
#17 - 2011-12-08 15:31:01 UTC
Mindnut wrote:
A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm...
+1



because we must know EVERY THING about the people your fighting with 0 work right?

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-12-08 19:32:36 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Mindnut wrote:
A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm...
+1



because we must know EVERY THING about the people your fighting with 0 work right?



Because its SO HARD to go look at eve-kill and battleclinic right now you mean? Maybe I just don't want an accurate reference board / don't enjoy posting all my mails 5 times.

Current killboards are accurate enough for making combat judgements. A CCP killboard would be nice because it would have *every* kill-- I just hate flipping through pages on the various boards I'm on and finding that there's a 10% discrepancy between all of them, and its always different mails missing from different boards.

CCP could also do things like provide accurate module pricing instead of having to rely on poorly-functioning api inputs from websites that don't provide totally accurate information to begin with.

Why do you hate the idea of killboards so much Mirima?

e: Nevermind, I get it: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mirima+Thurander#losses
GeneralKool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-08 20:38:57 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:


Why do you hate the idea of killboards so much Mirima?

e: Nevermind, I get it: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mirima+Thurander#losses



Lol
Zakuak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-12-08 21:38:33 UTC
oh this would be cool
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