EVE General Discussion

Dear CCP

I have been hearing amongst the channels that you may be "Down" grading Incursions or even doing away with them all together.

I just wanted to spill this on the forums to see if anyone can come out tell us the situation with Incursions and there plans.

Personally: They are a fantastic addition to the game, a great form of PVP, and an element of the game that is incredibly enjoyable.

My feeling (and I bet amongst a lot of other people) is: Leave them alone..

I think removing Incursions altogether would be a huge mistake. For many Incursion runners it's the only aspect of EVE we find enjoyable. Take that away and we have no reason to play anymore. Moving them to low/null sec exclusively would almost be as bad as removing them altogether in my opinion. I have no interest in going to low/null sec and i have no doubt many other Incursion runners feel the same.

Personally a nerf to the rewards wouldn't be unfair. As an Incursion runner myself i won't deny the rewards are probably too high for the risk involved. Especially Vanguards which can be ridiculous isk/hour with practically zero risk.

Just my 2 cents

Personally I do not agree with nerfing the rewards.

At the moment the Vangaurd sites are heavily contested - so to me, once i get in a VG site I want paying to justify running around the system / constellation for an hour.

Edit: I work during the hours of 08:00 to 18:00, so to me, I am playing eve at its peak time zones.

well they nerf'd 0.0 grunt income one the whim of some idiot(yes you ccp greyscale), and effectivly made a lot of 0.0 worthless, its only fair they nerf empire incursions to the same level as empire mission running.

the isk/h for Vanguards is wrong and i dont mean a little wrong i mean ******* stupidly wrong. ill pointout at this point that i have actually run soem incursions and making 80-100mil an hour is nice and all, but that much in empire is plain wrong

there shouldnt be that much isk avalible in high sec as easily as it is. thats the fundimental point, its not about end game its all about risk reward. there is no risk in running vanguards. if you want to fleet up with people you dont know, that is a seprate issue tbh. the inflation in the price of almost everything currently is caused by to much isk being pumpped out from incursions. its trillions of isk daily.
in 0.0 you get 1 guy in a system running anoms, he will make 20mil every 20mins. you get 10 people in that 1 system they will make less than 10mil every 20mins. in incursions you can have 60 people in the same system earning 10mil every 6-10mins. that is wrong. they should reduce the vg pay out by around 60% to bring it into line, lp can stay the same for all that matters.

There is more risk running incursions than there is running rats / anom sites in null sec if you want to achieve the 100m p/hour you speak of. It is only capable if you have invested already in a shiny ship and you are able to go from one site to the next as you complete them. That is not the case.. with most VG systems hitting more than 100 people, each site is attracting 3 fleets, every VG fleet is looking for the 2bil Mach, Bhaag, Vindi - i do not see people investing more than 200m in a ratting boat.... RISK versus REWARD right there.

Incursions are a worthwhile addition to EVE, if only because they teach people to work together in small gangs with logi etc. I hope nobody is disputing that, and if they do, they're ********.

The main two problems I have with incursions, however, is

1) the fact that it seems to attract the "DPS MAEL LFSF"-posters in incursion channels, and there's no way I can tell that crap from popping up to avoid the mental pain of reading that
2) compared to the risk, and especially compared to what the rewards you get in nullsec or lowsec, the rewards in hisec incursions are too high.

Rebalancing the rewards from firehose level to gardenhose level should suffice, but removing them altogether would be the biggest mistake CCP could possibly make, and anyone advocating the removal of incursions should get their heads checked.

Also, for those who are talking about 2 bil mach, bhaag, vindi etc, these boats are overkill for the job and does not need to be there. The last time I did a mothership incursion in lowsec, I did it in a maelstrom, and I had absolutely no problems whatsoever. You have just the same amount of risk as you would doing missions or just travelling back and forth in empire in the same ship.

Also, for ratting/running anoms, I don't suppose you've heard of the concept of awoxers.

hey,

i have serveral accounts. some of them are in 0.0 for pve/pvp and some of them in highsec for incursions and production. and to be really honest. incursions need a nerf or removal. i am triple-boxing incursions and make over 360 mill isk per hour. of course i need to get into my good fleets to get this amount.

before incursions i was only making isk in 0.0 with sanctums. it yielded around 42 - 65 mill isk per hour. so lets say if you are in a fail fleet you still make 60-80 mill per hour. but think about it. and you dont need to hold sov or do administrative work in highsec to do the incursions. you dont need to defend your space etc.

dont get me wrong. i like incursions. i do them the whole ******* day. but its just wrong if you see the whole picture. CCP's main idea was really good and i like it. but it was not intended like this. it was inteded that as soon as the mothership appears people kill it. and not keep it to farm the **** out of the incursions.

call me crazy. but yes i want my biggest source of income nerfed. why? because its bad for the game. simple.

you are right. revomal is a really bad idea.

Highsec incursions give lower payouts, so ships that can clear out sites faster are optimal, so yeah, people fly ridiculously blinged out nightmares/machs/vindis for incursions to make up for that.

As far as ratting and anoms, there's also the risk of getting all of your stuff trapped in a station with no way of getting it out short of retaking the station or infiltrating the entity that holds it.