EVE New Citizens Q&A

So something interesting happened earlier today that has left me a little confused. I found most of my answers, but the evelopedia seems a little bare bones information wise, and I haven't had much luck google fu-ing what I want to know.


This is what happened:

When I log in, my fellow newbie corp-mate, says that he's being held hostage after fighting a duel. I was unsure of what he meant at first, but quickly realized he was scramed somewhere in Rens in his pod after getting his ship blown up. No big deal I think. Turns out the guy has had him scrammed for a long time, and just won't pod him, they're just sitting there. I wasn't there when the duel happened, but according to my corp mate, the other person had some problems with his english and assumed my corp mate insulted him. I don't know what happened, but I wanted to help my corp mate out of his less than pleasant situation.

I looked up the ship he had lost to determine what the other guy was flying, just a rocket fit Condor. No problem for 8 blasters on a Catalyst. I quickly fit up the ship, walk my corp mate through the plan: we would fleet up, I warp on top of him and the Condor, scram, web and blast him, I'd get Concorded, but my corp mate would be free, and we'd get petty petty revenge . The less fun option was having my corp mate self destruct.

The plan works perfectly, my corp mate is free, we got revenge, I get blasted by Concord and go dock up to wait out the timer. I am soon informed that I have a one million ISK bounty on my head and that the Condor pilot's kill right has been made available to "everyone for 0 ISK". This doesn't really worry me, the bounties in EVE seem to be more for giggles than anything, and having people shoot at me doesn't seem like a problem, especially since I fly on the cheap.



So with that said, what I can't really understand is, how was the Condor pilot able to keep my corp mate scramed for so long? When I looked up duels I came up with this:

"Rules of Engagement

Participants have five minutes from acceptance of the duel to begin battle. As soon as a single volley is fired, the timer is reset and will remain paused as long as there is active combat. Each pause in the exchange of fire will restart the timer, and each shot fired with pause it once more.

A duel ends when exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.

Ship destruction does not end the limited engagement, and players can therefore pod kill each other within the parameters of a duel."



Now, my corp mate made it clear that he was this guy's hostage for much longer than 5 minutes. That's the main source of confusion for me here. According the the above, if no shots are fired for more than 5 minutes, the duel ends. Does having a scram on a pod somehow count as "exchange of fire"? If so, that's quite a broad definition. The only other thing I can think of at this point is that the Condor pilot would fire off a single rocket from time to time on the pod to keep the timer running, then again, pods are fragile, and I doubt that that could be kept up for long.


I also have a question regarding the Kill Right mechanic. If I understand correctly, when someone activates the kill right, I receive a suspect flag for a period of time and can be shot sans Concord intervention. Also, once/if I am killed while the kill right suspect timer is running, the kill right holder can no longer engage me without consequences. However, if the kill right is available to everyone, does that mean everyone gets to kill me once? Or everyone has a chance to be the person to complete the kill right? If it's the latter, or a variation of it, it seems like Kill Rights are just a nuisance and not really anything to worry about. Then again even the first might not be a big deal, I sat on the Rens undock for 5 minutes earlier in a Merlin and had no trouble.


I apologize in advance if I missed the answer in a very obvious place, like in front of my nose, but I couldn't quite find the answers I was looking for. Also thank you in advance to those who satisfy my curiosity .

The first shot fired is any aggressive module in this case a warp scram/disrupt. As for kill rights anyone can activate them and fire on you but few people look for people what I would do is have a corp mate activate it and kill you in a noob ship and dock as the kill right is free and won't be cleared until you lose a ship or like 45 days. But you could lose a big ship because of it I killed an orca mining in HS because of a kill right then prodded him.

They should probably reword the rules in that case. Shots fired makes it seem like it's reserved to anything that deals damage to you. Maybe something like:

"A duel ends when all hostile interaction has ceased for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period."

That would be clearer.




That's a great Idea, I'll be sure to do that.

Nowhere in the Rules of engagement are shots listed as the requirement for an ongoing combat.

"as long as there is active combat"

- The rest of the ROE is badly phrased, but this is the key part. active combat is when offensive modules/drones are activated towards the opposing party.

Apart from that, Summer Isle explained the Killright stuff pretty good :)

//EDIT: really nice story btw :P :)

+1 for great story and an excellent young CEO

As with for instance suicide ganking attempts (Criminal actions) and logoff timers, Limited Engagement look for 'shots'.

This means ANY offensive module and is thus not limited to guns or launchers. EWAR modules are also considered 'shots' on a target.

So technically you can keep someone in a duel just by a scram (as you and the corpy found out) but a noobship with a point or ammoless guns can keep any ship from disappearing if someone logs off.

Well, I don't remember exactly who said what and how big drama exactly was but approx 2 years ago some dude went all postal over word "mate" used by some other dude. I guess that was an example of language barrier and google derping with translation so basically what was intended was "mate" as guy, dude, etc. but was received as "mate" in sexual kind of way. Maybe J'Poll or somebody else from regulars can give more details but I remember there was few funny cases of idiots vomiting hate over forums because of it.

Or maybe I got it completely wrong? I was pretty much still fresh back then so maybe I missed some subtle details of this whole clusterfrakk.

I haz a linky :)

Search for more "eve online mate 2012" if you like :)

heh, back when I was a rookie some guy can flipped my alt, so I blew him up, then suicide ganked his pod. He still had a timer so I only got shot by station guns and not concord. Kinda went wtf just happened at that.

far more fun to learn aggro mechanics first hand, that said they made them easier to understand and now I don't understand them

UPDATE:

Drunk FC Azda strikes again, after promising to get kill rights activated by a corp mate and losing a newb ship I instead lost a Merlin I was taking out for a corp roam. I ended up jumping to Kamela in my pod to pick up a Talwar I lost an hour later after we roamed forEVER looking for a good fight. Instead, we barreled into an Omen and a Stabber. We were bored.

And as I type we are about to attempt to complete our first "mercenary contract". Play upbeat and motivating distorted rock guitar music here.

All questions answered it seems, but wanted to thank you for sharing these stories. Every one keeps the bitter at bay :)