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Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#201 - 2014-07-25 18:52:18 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Xavier Liche wrote:
As previously pointed out it really doesn't matter if people who pay for accounts with PLEX close the accounts, the lights and salaries are paid by the people who have paid subs and the people who buy PLEX with RL money.

Accounts paid for by PLEX are basically Free to Play accounts.

I should cross post this in the unpopular opinions thread Roll



Yeah, i play for free but thanks to a random player that buys plex with real money, and then i give him fake money because for whatever reason i don't know he likes fake money more than real money.
In the end, the result is the same and my account is paid with real money, but not with my real money.

I feel like Grover trying to explain this to a kid but it was obviously necessary.




Except the part where you buy the PLEX, really doesn't matter, CCP gets the cash even if the PLEX is never used or it is used for a service.

Binding a myth to the truth doesn't make the myth true.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#202 - 2014-07-25 19:19:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron' Soontir Fel
I plexed this one account, then when prices got too high, I bought a subscription instead.

GF CCP... GF






plexes are basically gift cards. CCP gets the money upfront, and doesn't really care bout any in the system already because they've already been paid for. Think of all the plex in the game right now, CCP has all that money already cashed in.
Whitemift
State War Academy
Caldari State
#203 - 2014-07-26 23:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitemift
7

then 5

then 3

probably 2 soon...

Also I was training two toons on each of the 3 accounts.
I stopped that when plex went over 700m iirc.
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#204 - 2014-07-27 17:14:20 UTC
So that's 4, + 2x3 = 10!!!

Demand Reduced by 10 on PLEX with $0 cost to CCP and probably 4 less afkers.

Its all win.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#205 - 2014-07-28 08:57:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Tennej wrote:
I considered pi to support four accounts. Then I realized that I didn't want to manage 72 planets. Sounds miserable.




Not miserable (daily trips into low break the monotony) but tedious and alot more work than you think. With PLEX prices as high as they are now....not worth it IMO. I found it easier to drop extra PI accounts and just sub my 2 mains and PLEX my one off grid booster account for now.


Skill que online..... who ever posted that (too lazy to look) is awesome. Seems accurate enough.


To compound this the move to hisec POCOs seems to have set off a substantial plummet in PI prices particularly at the P3/p4 level, possibly due to a lot of new producers. The PI market has always been shallow with any single big producer capable of crashing the market in an item if they are not careful. Unless something substantial happens to increase the demand for PI goods its likely to become less and less viable.


I'm not sure the hisec POCOs have caused any price drop with PI prices. That change was a while back after all. At the time I wouldn't be surprised if there was a price increase in PI goods. We stopped doing PI at that point after the null sec entities took over large proportions of the POCOs. It became too much of a pain in the ****.

I expect the industry changes with infinite slots and cancelling bonuses for multiple arrays will have affected the P3 & P4 prices though.

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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#206 - 2014-07-28 09:22:18 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Tennej wrote:
I considered pi to support four accounts. Then I realized that I didn't want to manage 72 planets. Sounds miserable.




Not miserable (daily trips into low break the monotony) but tedious and alot more work than you think. With PLEX prices as high as they are now....not worth it IMO. I found it easier to drop extra PI accounts and just sub my 2 mains and PLEX my one off grid booster account for now.


Skill que online..... who ever posted that (too lazy to look) is awesome. Seems accurate enough.


To compound this the move to hisec POCOs seems to have set off a substantial plummet in PI prices particularly at the P3/p4 level, possibly due to a lot of new producers. The PI market has always been shallow with any single big producer capable of crashing the market in an item if they are not careful. Unless something substantial happens to increase the demand for PI goods its likely to become less and less viable.


I'm not sure the hisec POCOs have caused any price drop with PI prices. That change was a while back after all. At the time I wouldn't be surprised if there was a price increase in PI goods. We stopped doing PI at that point after the null sec entities took over large proportions of the POCOs. It became too much of a pain in the ****.

I expect the industry changes with infinite slots and cancelling bonuses for multiple arrays will have affected the P3 & P4 prices though.



I so hope you are right. Most of my ISK comes from PI (low sec) and lately the prices have been plummeting on the p2's.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#207 - 2014-07-28 09:25:42 UTC
Sell me more PI goods in Jita, thanks.

I gotta produce, produce, produce.... industry calls

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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#208 - 2014-07-28 12:42:03 UTC
I'm not unsubscribing either of my two mains. I have a specialized third account who I only subscribe for specific purposes, but it was never intended to be a perma-subbed account. When I have need of it, I subscribe it for 3 months, then let it lapse until I need it again. I'm actually considering adding a fourth account, a perma-subbed one, to create a dedicated PvP char. I'll probably be doing that after Bronycon this coming weekend.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#209 - 2014-07-28 12:54:39 UTC
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#210 - 2014-07-28 13:04:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.



Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#211 - 2014-07-28 13:09:06 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.

If you're not using it, why did you get it?
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2014-07-28 13:11:59 UTC
Went down from 6 to 5 accounts 2 months ago, this one will be closed this month when I sell the character. Other 4 are already paid until March 15...too lazy to buy a PLEX each month for every account. One of them is already out of use, training a little starter there to sell next year, so it's not all wasted. The other 3 will be merged into 1 before they run out. It's something like 6 month of triple training then until 2 have everything at 5 I wanted, from then on just 1 PLEX/month...already stocked up with PLEX until the Second Decade CE arrives.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#213 - 2014-07-28 13:12:02 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.



Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.


No one said anything about keeping accounts you aren't using. This is what you said in the 1st post:
Quote:
Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices
you didn't say anything about 'not needing' any account, you specifically mention cost.

Don't try to pretend you aren't whining about plex prices.
Anthar Thebess
#214 - 2014-07-28 13:13:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.


I think you don't get one thing.
Not all players play every day.
Some people login once per 2 weeks, or just for weekend.

I assume that you play every day.
So for you match looks like : 800/31= 26mil per account
For people that login 5 times during a month : 800/5 per account = 160mil per account

Lets assume that you have only 4 characters in training , 1 is by subscription so you are left with 3 requiring plex, to keep them running.
So you have to earn (26 *3 ) 78 mil per the day you login.
People who play less often, for example just during the weekends (160*3) 480 per the time they login.

Like you see, the more you make this game fun , rather than work , this numbers grow very fast.
It is easy to earn 78 mil a day, but 480mil is a bit different story , especially when you want to do something more than PVE.
PVP also cost ISK , and in PVP it is quite easy to loose few bil in one day.

Now recalculate yourself those numbers when people are down to 3 from 11, and they want to have fun rather than grind Rats/missions/belts.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#215 - 2014-07-28 13:17:03 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
I think you don't get one thing.
Not all players play every day.
Some people login once per 2 weeks, or just for weekend.
Would those players have tons of extra accounts, or are they just not relevant to the discussion at hand?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#216 - 2014-07-28 13:20:33 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:


I think you don't get one thing.
Not all players play every day.
Some people login once per 2 weeks, or just for weekend.


Then those people should not be suing plex in the 1st place OR they should learn how to use passive isk generating methods. PLEX is a privilege not a right.

Quote:

I assume that you play every day.
So for you match looks like : 800/31= 26mil per account
For people that login 5 times during a month : 800/5 per account = 160mil per account

Lets assume that you have only 4 characters in training , 1 is by subscription so you are left with 3 requiring plex, to keep them running.
So you have to earn (26 *3 ) 78 mil per the day you login.
People who play less often, for example just during the weekends (160*3) 480 per the time they login.

Like you see, the more you make this game fun , rather than work , this numbers grow very fast.
It is easy to earn 78 mil a day, but 480mil is a bit different story , especially when you want to do something more than PVE.
PVP also cost ISK , and in PVP it is quite easy to loose few bil in one day.

Now recalculate yourself those numbers when people are down to 3 from 11, and they want to have fun rather than grind Rats/missions/belts.



And again, people who don't like generating isk (like i do) should be using plex for their sub, they should be working over time (or whatever) and BUYING plex to fund their "fun".

At the end of the day, whining about PLEX prices is an example of the extreme entitlement too many people exhibit. Why do you feel you deserve to use PLEX for game time if you're not a serious EVE gamer?
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#217 - 2014-07-28 13:34:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.

If you're not using it, why did you get it?


over zealous

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#218 - 2014-07-28 13:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.



Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.


No one said anything about keeping accounts you aren't using. This is what you said in the 1st post:
Quote:
Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices
you didn't say anything about 'not needing' any account, you specifically mention cost.

Don't try to pretend you aren't whining about plex prices.


Read the entire thread and You will see I expand the subject a tad. The need to have additional accounts decreased as the price of PLEX went up.

Late to the party m8

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#219 - 2014-07-28 13:37:21 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.



Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.


No one said anything about keeping accounts you aren't using. This is what you said in the 1st post:
Quote:
Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices
you didn't say anything about 'not needing' any account, you specifically mention cost.

Don't try to pretend you aren't whining about plex prices.


Read the entire thread and You will see I expand the subject a tad.


No thank you, my personal policy is that i never read more than 3 pages of any whine thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#220 - 2014-07-28 13:37:34 UTC
Tennej wrote:
over zealous
So not actually related to PLEX or exploration at all, then.