Crime & Punishment

This is the thread of my dreams, I belong here I know it.

I have no issues with losses in highsec, but when the on reasonable counter to an MMO mechanic is "don't bother playing with others", it seems like a dumb mechanic. I'd even push for more ways to create highsec space violence in it's place, like individual wardecs (which would work against NPC players). Again though, it can stay or go, I don't really care. There's currently a way to avoid it, and that's by becoming risk averse and hiding in an NPC corp, which I'm fine for the whole of highsec to do.

Sorry but you are wrong. Removal of AWOXIGN would just remove an exception to the ALREADY standard rule of agression in high sec. An exception that pays no purpose and reduces the recruitment of neew players. The reduction on the recruitement damages player retentaion, and the oens taht stay, are bouind to pass too long in NPC corps, having a high chance of contracting the carebear virus.

Sarcasm alert.

This is the problem with having this discussion, every time it come up. Certain members of the community hear "remove corp aggression" and automatically leap to defending against it as if it was "remove all combat". Nobody (well some people do, but **** them) wants a combat-free EVE, I'd just like to see the game be a little more encouraging to people who are finding their place. Ideally I'd like everyone to be in player corps, working together and fighting other corps.

Again I'll say it, the problem with corp aggression is that there's no reasonable counter. If you aren't in charge of recruitment, you can't vet the members, and short of multiboxing a fleet, or docking up any time a corp member shows up in local, there's not much you can do to avoid it. So the easiest way to avoid it, and the smartest move for most newbies is either your own corp or an NPC corp.

It's incredibly stupid that in an MMO the best choice for a given situation is to avoid playing with others. That is a clear sign that the mechanic is flawed.

No ****?

Well, duh.



Lucas, in all honesty, I dont think the reason that people are in NPC corps is because of AWOXing. There are two types of player that come to mind for NPC shelter-bunnies. ( I am not referring to neutral alts, haulers, scouts, ect -- just FYI here.)

First, people who are hesitant to get out and try to become social. I know quite a few people (myself included, to a degree, at first..) who are hesitant to actually interact with other players -- for whatever reason. ( Teamspeak shy, ect.)

Second, the players who are there simply to avoid risk in the first place. War refugees, ect. AWOXing, I would say, has little to do with the decision, as one who wished to avoid it could simply make a one man corp anyhow.

I am not defending my point on this topic because I want "easy noob kills". Please reference my killboard and point out the noobs if you see anything that does not support that statement. I dont even think the majority of AWOX targets are noobs, as a real AWOXer wants ASSETS and ISK, something newer players are unlikely to have in abundance. A successful AWOX also leaves no trace on killboards... meaning that if ransom was paid, its in the AWOXer's interest to honor it. Its one less blue on blue kill on their board, and that means the next mark is just that much easier.

Yes, you will have those guys who just want a killmail. But if you remove the AWOX mechanic, youll simply turn those guys into gankers. At least using corp recruitment safegaurds you can mitigate the risk.

Also, you're asking for compromise. Really? Just because your personal view (which is wrong) is voiced does not mean the world needs to compromise. There is no requirement to meet half way with something that is unreasonable.

I want unreasonable folks (like you in this case) to un sub and quit trying to ruin a perfectly awesome game. How about you meet me half way and just stop brining up bad ideas.

You do not get it? It s not about AWOXING new players! It that established corp do not recruit new players, because the new players are likely to be alts made solely to awox their older members. That makes corps automatically reject any player under 6 months old, and that makes those players stuck in NPC corps... and contaminated by the carebear virus.

You do not get it. If you can't defend yourself from a newly rolled awoxing alt - then you've got bigger issues.

I've seen a PvP battleship taken down by a rookie ship. Alts can be pretty powerful, and I doubt most NPC mission runners and miners have the experience to deal with them, since they've never been given the opportunity to learn. They just get nuked to death whenever they try.