Science & Industry

Due to the exponentially increasing costs of high sec facilities, our corporation will be winding up and deciding how to divide the blueprints and corporation ship assets.

A POS is not an option due to the changes to Ice and monopolies on POCOs either - so don't suggest it.

These are my suggested solutions.

1. Immediately publish the cost modifiers at ALL facilities, in a similar method to www.eve-central.com

The changes were supposed to stop the flying dutchman effect of travelling constantly from region to region, looking for available and cheap facilties.

FAIL

It is now even more difficult with facilities in a region being hidden from the list AND more expensive.

2. Change the interface so you can minimize the "magic 8 ball" down to one summary line of the blueprint statistics.

FAIL

It takes over over half of the visible area of the screen and leaves only a small box to view options like facility lists.

Not only that, the system sometimes lags up and freezes, leaving you unable to change between research options (copy, time, material, invention).

FAIL

3. Roll back manufacturing times to approximately before the expansion.

Some manufacturers have complained to me, that even with using an original, they are producing less than half of what they can in the same time before the changes.

FAIL

3a. Change time efficiency modifiers to 5% per level - especially given that many time facilities were unused before.

3b. Set the copying time to be approximately half production time, regardless of the time efficiency of the blueprint.

This gives you the devils choice of using a blueprint, improving it to 50%, or paying for copying to double your output.

4. Either refund material efficiency skill points, or else change it so that it reduces production facility costs by 10% per level.

Ship builders gain no advantage for that skill.

FAIL.

5. People who have researched Jury Rigging above I (for T2 engineering rigs for example) now have wasted skill points.

FAIL.

Roll back that change immediately - anybody with the fitting manager role in a corporation is likely to have trained all rigging skills to I at least, if not IV for vital ones.

The argument that because people can use rigs without the rigging skill doesn't really wash with me, unless you intend to add penalties for rigs without them currently, or again, give people the option of refunding skill points.

FAIL

Yes, allow people with the fitting manager role to add modules they can't use and assemble ships they can't fly - but either offline them, or don't force them to leave their current ship.

This is expecially problematic in POS, where you can't dock, so:

FAIL

In any case, adding modules to a fit is a difficulty unless you can see the implications to CPU and Power grid use, so:

6. Allow people with the fitting manager role to auto-fit ships using corporation saved fits, without leaving their active ship.

You are going out of business due to changes that improve the opportunities of making a profit on the market while tons more people are dabbling into industry?

Great!

Can I have your stuff?

Always our hero.

Are you storing that data to make some funky graphs and whatnot going forward?

The main problem, in my opinion, with the concept of traveling after the "cheap facilities" is the risk involved in moving expensive BPO sets around. It's pretty trivial to hit 10+ bil in BPO's for any serious enough manufacturing operation that would truly benefit from running after the savings from job costs.

That is on top of all the materials which you might need to move which can be substantially bulky for any kind of semiserious manufacturing.

For me it just seems like a giant loot pinata flying around waiting to make some suicide gank squad happy as hippos.

I do move my BPO's occasionally but it is a significant operation, not something I'm keen of doing on a whim.

Living the easy live, running around in my caravan (orca), drinking moonshine and building badly manufactured modules in cheap systems to **** a bit into the bowl of the big guys. YEEHAA :)

Thank you for the link to this tool - it should let us stay in business, at least until exponential costs catch up again.

It still doesn't address my problems with the in game interface and it not showing all facilties in a region.

No, you can't have our stuff - we would of just planned to cease all further research and stop haemorrhaging ISK.

However, we will be letting our reseach alt accounts expire when the have finished their current jobs, PLEXing that many is no longer a viable option with the current prices in any case.

2.0 is quite low though, right?

CCP provided the info through crest. Like a lot of things they supply local information in the game, but offer ways for people to expand the information through the API. If everything was just in game it would be a bit dull, and people would be rewarded for not even bothering to think.

It is? Lame. Good thing the map is terrible.

i have considered moving the expensive part of my blueprint collection to a system with a very low index at the end of the world to make copys 24/7. i'm too lazy and risk averse to do that myself, but black frog looks like they are the right people for the job. in case my own operation is big enough to actually raise the index of a system to a level i'm no longer comfortable with, i'm willing to relocate again (or just wait a month)

i really don't want to transport BPOs worth ~15b every few weeks (and i'm very much not gonna put them in a POS), but transporting a bunch of BPCs that cost me no more than a few million ISK to make can easily be done in a cloakie ship without risking the core of my business. i may loose a few weeks of potential revenue from those BPOs, but that's about it. and i have plenty alternatives available