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Max Runs on Capital Ship BPOs

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Commander Venture
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
#1 - 2014-07-25 12:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Venture
As a test, I used a dreadnought blueprint in the new UI and see that the maximum runs is now three. This despite the fact that the duration (35d 15h per the UI, after -24% reduction due to character skills and -10% due to blueprint TE) is well past the thirty-day limit I was used to seeing pre-Crius, which would have put the maximum job size at two runs.

Is this an intended change to industry mechanics?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2014-07-25 17:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
When I submitted several capital BPO for copies last evening, they were all max 1 run. I limited myself to 5 copies, so I didn't have to wait forever.

There is no facilities slot limit post-Crius, so there is no real reason to limit job length.
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2014-07-25 17:56:12 UTC
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-07-25 19:16:40 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?

So running 24001 runs on an ammo (copying) that supposedly lasts for 49 years is a UI bug?
Commander Venture
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
#5 - 2014-07-26 00:46:59 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?



Makes total sense. I'm fairly certain it wasn't that way before. That's new to Crius, right?
Commander Venture
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
#6 - 2014-07-26 01:14:57 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
When I submitted several capital BPO for copies last evening, they were all max 1 run. I limited myself to 5 copies, so I didn't have to wait forever.

There is no facilities slot limit post-Crius, so there is no real reason to limit job length.




I thought the 30-day limit was related not to assembly lines but to subscription time. I imagined that CCP may consider it an abuse for a character to install ten jobs for corp each several months long, then letting the account lapse.
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2014-07-27 16:17:00 UTC
Rowells wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?

So running 24001 runs on an ammo (copying) that supposedly lasts for 49 years is a UI bug?


It will not let you submit a job that takes that long, and explain that the 30 day limit is the reason why.

The max runs shown for copying is actually the limit for maxRuns * licensedProductionRuns. Updating the limit on both as you adjust them turned out to be annoying to work with, so they are limited assuming the other field is just set to 1.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2014-07-27 16:17:55 UTC
Commander Venture wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?



Makes total sense. I'm fairly certain it wasn't that way before. That's new to Crius, right?


It was the same pre-crius, it just wasn't shown as clearly.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
Ealon Musque
Capital Chaps
#9 - 2014-07-27 18:43:39 UTC
Are materials rounded on the full job now? In other words, if I have 5% ME and I build two carriers from a BPO that requires 10 of a certain component, will I spend 19 or 20 of that component?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-07-27 18:53:33 UTC
Ealon Musque wrote:
Are materials rounded on the full job now? In other words, if I have 5% ME and I build two carriers from a BPO that requires 10 of a certain component, will I spend 19 or 20 of that component?


19 :)
the only caveat is for singleton items (where basic blueprint only require one of that item) - it takes at minimum one for each run, even if you have 10% ME and do a 10 run job you will still require 10 not 9

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Ealon Musque
Capital Chaps
#11 - 2014-07-27 21:08:13 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Ealon Musque wrote:
Are materials rounded on the full job now? In other words, if I have 5% ME and I build two carriers from a BPO that requires 10 of a certain component, will I spend 19 or 20 of that component?


19 :)
the only caveat is for singleton items (where basic blueprint only require one of that item) - it takes at minimum one for each run, even if you have 10% ME and do a 10 run job you will still require 10 not 9


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The BlackPrince
Inner Visions
Diplomatic Incidents.
#12 - 2014-07-28 08:55:33 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?


If the maximum number of runs are connected to the 30day limit why can Capital component bpo's only be copied to a maximum of 40 runs? That takes like 5 days to build.

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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2014-07-28 13:36:26 UTC
Ealon Musque wrote:
Max Kolonko wrote:
Ealon Musque wrote:
Are materials rounded on the full job now? In other words, if I have 5% ME and I build two carriers from a BPO that requires 10 of a certain component, will I spend 19 or 20 of that component?


19 :)
the only caveat is for singleton items (where basic blueprint only require one of that item) - it takes at minimum one for each run, even if you have 10% ME and do a 10 run job you will still require 10 not 9


Thank you. How could I know this?


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The BlackPrince wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The max run limit for BPOs is a little tricky, you can do as many runs so that the run BEFORE the last run fits within the 30 day limit. So if 2 x runs is 28 days and 3 x runs is 42 then the max runs will be 3.

If you manufacture at a facility with a time bonus, or have skills / implants etc that modify the time to manufacture then the max runs shown for a BPO will update on the UI.

Make sense?


If the maximum number of runs are connected to the 30day limit why can Capital component bpo's only be copied to a maximum of 40 runs? That takes like 5 days to build.


The 30-day thing is a global limit.

On top of that, there is an actual "maximum number of runs" stat on blueprints that varies from blueprint to blueprint. Generally it's tuned to be around 2 days' production on most types, and around 7 days' production on components. This will not affect old BPCs, though, so they may have non-standard values.
Takanuro
Eve Faction Trade Exchange
#14 - 2014-07-28 13:46:48 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:


The 30-day thing is a global limit.

On top of that, there is an actual "maximum number of runs" stat on blueprints that varies from blueprint to blueprint. Generally it's tuned to be around 2 days' production on most types, and around 7 days' production on components. This will not affect old BPCs, though, so they may have non-standard values.



I've asked already but not seen a response, but why did Capital Module Blueprints, like Capital Armor Repairer I, have their copy 'Max Runs Per Copy' reduced from 10 to 1? I much prefer to have 2 x 10-Run prints than have 20 x 1-Runs prints. Most everything else cap related seems to have increased from what I've seen.

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Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
#15 - 2014-07-28 14:01:38 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The 30-day thing is a global limit.

Wasn't that added because people kept hogging all the slots? Is it going to be revised?