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I always read how Hi-sec has been buffed.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#41 - 2014-07-28 07:06:49 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tennej wrote:

Buh bye

I dont think this means what you think it means

Are you going to explain how you were flying a Harb on a trial account or not?

Given that you wont, we can only assume the rest of your "facts" are also lies.



Somebody isnt reading.... just whining..... might want to go back to page one and start over. I cant see the forest because the trees are in the way....


And confirmed


Hello again Salvos

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#42 - 2014-07-28 07:07:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Hello again Salvos


Dunn dunn duuuuunnnnn!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#43 - 2014-07-28 07:08:29 UTC
POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#44 - 2014-07-28 07:09:00 UTC
OK page 3 now and No Hi-sec buffs as of yet... C'Mon tolls I know there has to be some somewhere. Its always mentioned It the nerf hi-sec threads.....

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#45 - 2014-07-28 07:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Arkady Romanov wrote:
POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.



I think this is a buff. I dont know as I do nothing with a POS in Hi-sec but sounds good. Is the slot thing hi-sec only or for all POS's in all parts of space?

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Maekchu
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-07-28 07:16:06 UTC
I am in complete agreement that Hi-sec needed a nerf. I can see you posted just a few examples where this change was necessary.

So where is the issue?
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#47 - 2014-07-28 07:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Maekchu wrote:
I am in complete agreement that Hi-sec needed a nerf. I can see you posted just a few examples where this change was necessary.

So where is the issue?



No NO nO Everybody is always saying on this forum that hi-sec keeps getting buffed. I'm trying to find out where the heck these buffs are and only one person gave me one.


I guess there has been none but that one. If Hi-sec keeps getting buffed...I might have to move from low. Nothing is convincing me so far....

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#48 - 2014-07-28 07:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Tennej wrote:
OK page 3 now and No Hi-sec buffs as of yet... C'Mon tolls I know there has to be some somewhere. Its always mentioned It the nerf hi-sec threads.....


If this would cause you to drop it (kinda doubt it)... Here:
- Average and Large deposits of Hedbergite, Hemorphite and Jaspet are not common, but they can be found easily. Open Dotlan and look for systems where the amount of jumps is very low. Oh, and by the way, these "hidden belts" are not so hidden any more, because you don't actually need to scan them down any more. Old Gravimetric sites are now available in the on-bard scanner;

- You have highsec incursions - almost all the benefits of the incursion with a safety of higsec;

- You have Ghost Sites in highsec now - all the benefits of the Ghost Sites with a safety of highsec;

- Highsec hass seen an increase in Level4 SoE agents across all empires. You can now farm Sisters Probes, launchers, implants and ships (Astero, Stratios, Nestor) as much as you like by doing plain old level 4 missions;

- Standing requirements for anchoring a POS have been removed. You can anchor a tower without having to grind for faction standing;

- You can now anchor towers pretty much anywhere, including 1.0 security systems (except in highly congested systems like Jita). Combined with removal of faction standing requirements, that's a huge boost right there;

- Industry slots are removed from the game. Highsec stations can now support unlimited amount of industrial activity in them;

- 4 highsec faction epic arcs were added which pay considerably more than regular level 4 missions. The best part is, they are not one-time feature, like COSMOS, but can be farmed every 3 months. Not a major buff, but it's a buff anyway;

- ship changes, especifically the agility changes for large ships, have boosted the demand for Nomad implants. You can safely farm them in highsec part of Molden Heath region in Minmatar space (Thukker agents)

I think that should be enough.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#49 - 2014-07-28 07:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Tennej wrote:
OK page 3 now and No Hi-sec buffs as of yet... C'Mon tolls I know there has to be some somewhere. Its always mentioned It the nerf hi-sec threads.....


If this would cause you to drop it (kinda doubt it)... here:
- Average and Large deposits of Hedbergite, Hemorphite and Jaspet are not common, but they can be found easily. Open Dotlan and look for systems where the amount of jumps is very low. Oh, and by the way, these "hidden belts" are not so hidden any more, because you don't actually need to scan them down any more. Old Gravimetric sites are now available in the on-bard scanner;

- You have highsec incursions - almost all the benefits of the incursion with a safety of higsec;

- You have Ghost Sites in highsec now - all the benefits of the Ghost Sites with a safety of highsec;

- Highsec hass seen an increase in Level4 SoE agents across all empires. You can now farm Sisters Probes, launchers, implants and ships (Astero, Stratios, Nestor) as much as you like by doing plain old level 4 missions;

- Standing requirements for anchoring a POS have been removed. You can anchor a tower without having to grind for faction standing;

- You can now anchor towers pretty much anywhere, including 1.0 security systems (except in highly congested systems like Jita). Combined with removal of faction standing requirements, that's a huge boost right there;

- Industry slots are removed from the game. Highsec stations can now support unlimited amount of industrial activity in them;

- 4 highsec faction epic arcs were added which pay considerably more than regular level 4 missions. The best part is, they are not one-time feature, like COSMOS, but can be farmed every 3 months. Not a major buff, but it's a buff anyway;

- ship changes, especifically the agility changes for large ships, have boosted the demand for Nomad implants. You can safely farm them in highsec part of Molden Heath region in Minmatar space (Thukker agents)

I think that should be enough.



OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :) ALL the POS/Industry crap I guess I need to play with and see if its worth a crap. Love the Nomad idea. If lvl 4's can farm those implants that would be golden. More Epic Arcs is a good thing even if they are done once every three months only. I guess i have to look at that one.

Cant really get with you on the hidden belts because... well anoms really hidden? and werent they there before the exploration changes?
As far as the exploration part....well I already admitted not not doing any sites at all to include these "ghost sites" I'll attempt it tommorow.

Thanks for the new ideas.... I will try them and see whats up but I prefer low right now as far as isk generation.

You are right on the money about one thing tho. I won't drop any of this because..... well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :) More importantly tho... I still have 11 jumps left.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-07-28 07:41:00 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
This thread reminds me thinking of creationist christians.

Observation: i dont know how this happened

Conclusion: It was god



ummh .. no its more

Step 1: Decision before any observation has been made at all that "god did it"
Step 2: Contrive an ad hoc explanation based on prior conviction that "god did it" and call it creation science
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#51 - 2014-07-28 07:42:03 UTC
Tennej wrote:
well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :)

Sure, I can get on board with that. Everyone has a place here.

So, when you gonna start?
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#52 - 2014-07-28 07:45:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Tennej wrote:
well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :)

Sure, I can get on board with that. Everyone has a place here.

So, when you gonna start?



Ah you got Jokes..... old ones but jokes anyways....... I'll give you a like for being old.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2014-07-28 07:46:42 UTC
These forums are always interesting.

Fresh, well less so. There's some tired old troll-types you can identify on contact.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#54 - 2014-07-28 07:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Tennej wrote:


OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :) ALL the POS/Industry crap I guess I need to play with and see if its worth a crap. Love the Nomad idea. If lvl 4's can farm those implants that would be golden.

Cant really get with you on the hidden belts because... well anoms really hidden? and werent they there before the exploration changes?


You are right on the money about one thing tho. I won't drop any of this because..... well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :) More importantly tho... I still have 11 jumps left.


Industry is worth it if you want to put some effort in it... it's not a a passive income source. You'll need a bit of investment ISK to start the ball rolling, but it starts to pay off pretty quickly if you calculated your expenses and profit correctly.

Yes, level 4 agents are available for Thukker faction in highsec. Since it's a whole new faction (not directly connected to Minmatar empire), you'll need to get some standings with them by starting from lower level agents first. Luckily, the lower level agents are also located in Minmatar higsec space (look for Thukker Mix and Trust Partners NPC corporations).

Before the exploration changes, the Gravimetric sites (which are Ore sites), were scanned down using probes because they were belonging to Cosmic Signatures. That has changed and they are now listed as Cosmic Anomalies and can be warped to directly by using only the on-board scanner. There are still many highsec systems where there are only 1-5 pilots in local (if any). Sure, they are a bit far from the trade hubs, but with the Compression Array as a POS module that can be anchored in highsec (you needed a Rorqual for that before), transporting huge amounts of ore isn't that demanding now. Basically, you can mine for a month, compress it and haul it in one run to a trade hub (my suggestion is to use PushX or Red Frog Freight hauling services for perfect safety).
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-07-28 07:50:30 UTC
Tennej wrote:



OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :)



To be fair the SOE agent thing is not really a buff to max income as such. The best you can get from SOE is about 2.0 ISK/LP whereas with market research and the right corp/LP you always could (and still can) do far better than that. I sold a few hundred mill of mining implants a few days ago and got 3.1 ISK/LP for example.

What SOE does do is make 2.0 ISK/LP reliable without any real need to research and setup sells. You can just dump sisters probes and Asteros on market buy at any hub except Hek and get consist good isk/lp . SOE is not top notch ISK/LP but its lazy and consistently reliable LP.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#56 - 2014-07-28 07:50:45 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Tennej wrote:


OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :) ALL the POS/Industry crap I guess I need to play with and see if its worth a crap. Love the Nomad idea. If lvl 4's can farm those implants that would be golden.

Cant really get with you on the hidden belts because... well anoms really hidden? and werent they there before the exploration changes?


You are right on the money about one thing tho. I won't drop any of this because..... well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :) More importantly tho... I still have 11 jumps left.


Industry is worth it if you want to put some effort in it... it's not a a passive income source. You'll need a bit of investment ISK to start the ball rolling, but it starts to pay off pretty quickly if you calculated your expenses and profit correctly.

Yes, level 4 agents are available for Thukker faction in highsec. Since it's a whole new faction (not directly connected to Minmatar empire), you'll need to get some standings with them by starting from lower level agents first. Luckily, the lower level agents are also located in Minmatar higsec space.

Before the exploration changes, the Gravimetric sites (which are Ore sites), were scanned down using probes because they were belonging to Cosmic Signatures. That has changed and they are now listed as Cosmic Anomalies and can be warped to directly by using only the on-board scanner. There are still many highsec systems where there are only 1-5 pilots in local (if any). Sure, they are a bit far from the trade hubs, but with the Compression Array as a POS module that can be anchored in highsec (you needed a Rorqual for that before), transporting huge amounts of ore isn't that demanding now. Basically, you can mine for a month, compress it and haul it in one run to a trade hub (my suggestion is to use PushX or Red Frog Freight hauling services for perfect safety).


Another good buff!!!! compression Thanks for pointing that one out!!! Ya I frog out of low alot but never Pushed

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#57 - 2014-07-28 07:51:32 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Tennej wrote:



OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :)



To be fair the SOE agent thing is not really a buff to max income as such. The best you can get from SOE is about 2.0 ISK/LP whereas with market research and the right corp/LP you always could (and still can) do far better than that. I sold a few hundred mill of mining implants a few days ago and got 3.1 ISK/LP for example.

What SOE does do is make 2.0 ISK/LP reliable without any real need to research and setup sells. You can just dump sisters probes and Asteros on market buy at any hub except Hek and get consist good isk/lp . SOE is not top notch ISK/LP but its lazy and consistently reliable LP.




Agreed.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#58 - 2014-07-28 07:54:43 UTC
Amazing how much the info starts to flow once you get past that first wave of trolls that seem to attack every thread. Imagine yourself a new player and stumble onto a thread like this and the immediate gains that can be made.

I'm not so much a new player in so much a lazy player (why I like low) But some really good ideas have come out to really make me rethink spending some isk on Industry or possible Farming Thukker in hi-sec.


Thanks to everybody who had input. You Rock!!!

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#59 - 2014-07-28 07:57:29 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik made some good points and here's a few other buffs I've seen:

Salvaging: Like you said MTUs were a huge buff to salvagers and with the Noctis as a specialized ship for it salvaging is more like an actual profession than ever.

Exploration: NPCs have been removed from data and relic sites which makes it possible to do them in a t1 scanning frig now. In addition, the hacking minigame is fairly easy and it no longer sprays out a bunch of containers, just gives you a can of loot. Also, t3s are no longer able to do the 4/10 combat sites in high sec which makes it a lot easier for players without high skills to compete for those sites.

Mining: The move of gravimetric sites to cosmic anamolies was a huge buff for miners who didn't want to spend skillpoints in scanning just to find some ore. The availability of better quality ores in high sec is definitely a buff and their value accounts for their rarity. It's not something designed to be farmed but as a bonus for miners when moving to different ore belts.

Level 3 Missions: The rewards from these missions have always been awful and were never meant to be an isk maker, just a bridge to gain standings for level 4s. However, for gaining consistent faction standings there is no better way than running level 3 distribution missions with the changes to warp speed and to the first tier industrial bonuses. With the right agent you can get a level 3 storyline in an hour and that's with skills that take a day to train.

Overall, I don't see how any of what you experienced constitutes a nerf to highsec, and a lot of it I consider a buff instead.


As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#60 - 2014-07-28 08:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Derrick Miles wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik made some good points and here's a few other buffs I've seen:

Salvaging: Like you said MTUs were a huge buff to salvagers and with the Noctis as a specialized ship for it salvaging is more like an actual profession than ever.

Exploration: NPCs have been removed from data and relic sites which makes it possible to do them in a t1 scanning frig now. In addition, the hacking minigame is fairly easy and it no longer sprays out a bunch of containers, just gives you a can of loot. Also, t3s are no longer able to do the 4/10 combat sites in high sec which makes it a lot easier for players without high skills to compete for those sites.

Mining: The move of gravimetric sites to cosmic anamolies was a huge buff for miners who didn't want to spend skillpoints in scanning just to find some ore. The availability of better quality ores in high sec is definitely a buff and their value accounts for their rarity. It's not something designed to be farmed but as a bonus for miners when moving to different ore belts.

Level 3 Missions: The rewards from these missions have always been awful and were never meant to be an isk maker, just a bridge to gain standings for level 4s. However, for gaining consistent faction standings there is no better way than running level 3 distribution missions with the changes to warp speed and to the first tier industrial bonuses. With the right agent you can get a level 3 storyline in an hour and that's with skills that take a day to train.

Overall, I don't see how any of what you experienced constitutes a nerf to highsec, and a lot of it I consider a buff instead.


As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.


I see your points on the mining anoms and the 3's. I still think there has been alot of nerfs to the easier crap in hi-sec but all I ever do in hi-sec anymore is take crap to Jita or do SOE 4's. (lazy player with too many games on the SSD)


Damn now the info is start to really flow. Thanks!!!!!!

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet