Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Faction War. Lets make it a real War

Faction War should be considered global. The Empires in war should no be in contact to each other,
talking at Industrial, Research and Economical levels.
In a War, the Economical Impact is the key to be ahead, same like Industrial and Research, these
fields should be individuals to each Empire.
The Militias from different Empires should have Military weaponery, modules, etc, different than civil
pilots.

-Military ships- Only the Militias have the right to fly alternative versions of the existent ships in EVE
When a pilot or Corp join the Militias, have the right to fly the pimped ships, which ones
can be builded for all pilots in EVE. These ships are more powerfull in all senses than
regular civilian ships.

-Military modules- Same like the ships described above, this modules can be used by Militia members and also
be builded by all pilots in EVE, using the same Market.



-Corps forced to Join- Being the Economy a possible target for the enemy militia, the Corps registred under
one Empire and or living in the Region, should be forced to join the militia of that
Empire, excluding the ones in 0.0 or NPC. If those Corps are not interested to join the War
then should disband or move their Corps to 0.0. In this way every pilot in Eve will
start to defend their own interests or Empires.Bringing more pilots and Corps to PVP
and Faction War.


-Military Insignias- All those in Faction Wars should be recongnized by civilians with the blue or orange stars,
depend where they are (Friendly Empire or Enemy Empire)


-Military Terrorism- Like in RL civilians can be attacked in their own Empires without the participation of
Concord but the Military Police and keep the same system of sec stat.


I would like to know what you guys think and if you have more Ideas to make the FW a little more interesting.

Why not?
Can you give me a reason?

I thought FW was more of a light border skirmish than an all out war, and that the empires themselves were actually at something approaching peace?

maybe you should give a reason about how this would make the game better for every player, its you proposing the idea after all.
for now looks only a "lets give fw players cart blanche to completely distrupt everybody not in fw".

Ok, my reason is to make more real this war, like I said before, the economy of each Empire will rest on the defense of their militias, but also will open more options for a Military Market, those Military modules can be build for all EVE citizens, not exeptions, but used only by Militias.
I forgot to mention also, the wardec in between corps in the same militias will be over.

the mods are a bad idea.

We already get disparity with current ds and faction gear. SOme players are cheap others are not. My stance on this is oh well....if price is right I will C or B type a mod for an edge. If too rich for their blood to counter fit it that's on them.

Your FW would have gear non fw doesn't get access too. Its not even a case of player 1 being cheap to get the mods...they can't run them if they wanted to pay for them since not in FW.

You get no guarantee these mods will be used in fw only either. Crew gets a hair up its butt and they start to kill anything that moves and we get fw fleets not readily countered. I'd like to say this would be anti-pirate ops to make is reasonable. Go kill some pirates...nothing wrong with that. Problem I see is a few going screw it, and tagging anything. Probably be the 0.0 alts who are there for lp farming and could not give a rat's ass about FW RP aspects.

I'd imagine the bp's for these would be lp items. This make it worse. As lp farming in fw is a known occurrence. DOn't need gank squads getting ds type c or b...or even a level fits for less cost. Price a decent control factor here sometimes. I can only lose so many ships with say ds prop mods and a c or b resists before I go cheap.

I think I speak for my alliance when I say, we do not want this.


Not everyone is interested in lore or cares about FW. They play a different "game" that can require them to travel between empires for trading, supplies, etc. For them, THAT is the game. I seem no reason to infringe on that.

Also... forcing high-secers to support their militia will not work out the way you plan. I know this because this was the exact reasoning that was promoted by people in favor of LP rewards for FW kills and complex captures.
Supposedly, if one side began to "lose" then the prices for certain faction items would go up... encouraging people to join with the losing side to farm that LP... and hopefully PvP in the process.
What actually happened is that people starting farming LP from the winning side only... until prices bottomed out... then switch sides and farm the same systems that they had captured and/or defended before and do the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

If high-sec is affected by the successes or failures of a certain FW side, then people will migrate to the side that is "winning" to avoid suffering any ill effects. Again... rinse and repeat.
And if you put restrictions that prevent people from doing this... well... I can only say this; the howling from the non-FW community will be loud and unpleasant... seeing this as "forced play"... which I somewhat agree with. EVE is a "sandbox" after all.


As for "military ships/modules"... we already have them. They are called Faction "Ships/Modules"... and they already are a fair bit stronger than their T1 variants (50% more HP, more speed, more PG/CPU, one extra fitting slot, different bonuses).
For keeping these "military ships/modules" as something you can only use in FW... I disagree completely. Selling them is how we make our money. And there is no reason outside of lore/RP/personal reasoning to make them "FW only" stuff.
PLUS... "FW only" stuff would only encourage groups that do not care about FW at all to join just to gain access to the "better equipment" and use it elsewhere.



Finally... lore-wise the empires are not in a state of "all out war." It is more of a "cold/skirmish war" where capsuleers have been contracted out as "Privateers/Corsairs" to fight in the borderzones (see: low-sec) that no side really wants to fully commit to.
And like the Privateers of old, we bring in our own equipment and we get paid via LP based on our successes (see: how many enemies we kill, how many complexes/systems we take, etc.)... somewhat like bounties for scalping.

No, you are trying to make changes to nearly everything in the game so that the whole game fits perfectly into your FW dreamland. It's one of the best things in this game that everybody can decide what he likes to do. There are miners, there are traders, there are manufacturers, there are mission runners, incursion enthusiasts, and so on. And now you come along and want to tell them that there is one thing that they will have to do or move to a neutral zone if they don't want to, which would also be something that they had to do then.

What would you think if some miner said "Make mining more interesting, give us titan barges with 100k dps guns and XL strip miners with 1 AU range, put ore everywhere, make other player's ships mineable, make everybody become a miner and send those who don't want to mine to 1.0 systems where they can fly around in shuttles and bump each other until they want to mine"?

Why don't you go to nullsec and join one of the corps that fight for sovereignity there? There you can shoot everybody who's in the wron corp or alliance, cut the enemy's supply chains, support your local industry, use all kinds of weapons that aren't allowed in empire space...

so you make people in militias have totally op gear that nobody else out of it can compete, make them able to shot on sight anybody out of militia without any ripercussion and dont see anything wrong with this?
have you ever heard of balance?
I would say, 3/10.

I'm not supporting OP, but I've tired to see this (and similarily useless) "argument" all the time. Aside from some minor fixes and improvements, can you state the single one big change to the game world which "made the game better for every player"? Not a single one, there is no such addition to gameplay thing that will be good for everyone. We should create some list of crappy "arguments" for reference. I don't even want to mention that nobody here is able to see future and state for shure, that this particular proposal won't become popular.. well, amongst significant enough part of playerbase, lets say.

If proposal is intresting, seems doable and goes well with game's design, than it's worth to be discussed. And then it is up to CCP to decide do they want it in their game or not.