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[UNITY] We The Defiant

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#121 - 2014-07-27 12:25:11 UTC
It occurs to me that it'd probably be easier to ask the people to raise their hands if they're not a psychopath in here. Why are you people poking each other's squiggly bits with knives and ****? Did you people not pay attention?

We're in space. Each of us command enough financial and material assets to rival small nations, or in some cases fairly big ones. We can actually make a difference with our actions, and you people decide to stab other people? This, to you, makes some sort of sense? This is an action you consider reasonable in any way?

Try to leave the caves and bang the rocks together, will ya? Maybe you'll eventually come join the rest of us. Humanity's gone a bit beyond sticking other people with the sharp end.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#122 - 2014-07-27 12:38:47 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
It occurs to me that it'd probably be easier to ask the people to raise their hands if they're not a psychopath in here. Why are you people poking each other's squiggly bits with knives and ****? Did you people not pay attention?

We're in space. Each of us command enough financial and material assets to rival small nations, or in some cases fairly big ones. We can actually make a difference with our actions, and you people decide to stab other people? This, to you, makes some sort of sense? This is an action you consider reasonable in any way?

Try to leave the caves and bang the rocks together, will ya? Maybe you'll eventually come join the rest of us. Humanity's gone a bit beyond sticking other people with the sharp end.

Coming from a woman who fly mining barge this is some of the most ironic thing I ever read.

Maybe one day you too come join the rest of us. You speak in tones of disrespect to people who make you pale in comparison as pilot, Ms Otsito. You have big mouth and no ability to project it's words into space, the place you claim such things should always take place.

Aside from fact they were not all capsuleer, the reasons why, and method used, to dispose of Amber's holders many year ago are none of your business. Although, considering what she been through in their hands, I'd have thought a woman of your intellect should find the reasons they died obvious.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#123 - 2014-07-27 13:11:28 UTC
I can both know how to use a sword and be an incredibly skilled pilot.

In fact, I do just that.

Sometimes, I look at the scanner of my ship to see what's going on around me. Sometimes, I read the patterns that a handful of stones tossed into a circle on the ground make.

Both help me get through my life. If you don't like one of them, well... which one of us is the one with the problem?

Leave the judgmental holier than thou attitude for the Amarr. It's an ugly color on anyone else.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#124 - 2014-07-27 13:53:25 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I do not plan to have my clone-base destroyed anytime soon and until I do I am control of my destiny.

No one really does until things just happen.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#125 - 2014-07-27 14:19:21 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
I do not plan to have my clone-base destroyed anytime soon and until I do I am control of my destiny.

No one really does until things just happen.

Yessir, and I'm sure the Jove will return someday too.

Probably about same time sleeper drones siege my home.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#126 - 2014-07-27 14:27:42 UTC
Don't think I even own a mining barge, lady. What I do in space is exactly what I say I do, providing several hundred high quality vessels, ammunition and modules to theaters of war across New Eden every week. Next to that, my laboratories work 24/7 on a variety of delightful projects of either destruction or creation depending on the need at the time.

I don't even have to stab anyone to do it.

Seriously, you guys don't see the problem with stabbing other people? This is civilized and humane behaviour to you? There's a reason you lock people up when they do this, often demanding a certain amount of therapy in the process. Using a bloody sword? That's just crazy on a whole 'nother level. At least knives have some practical uses as tools. Swords are just massively impractical weapons that have about as much usefulness as a piece of string against anyone you might have to use it on. You know, people with guns.

Choosing to carry a bloody sword around in this day and age says some very scary things about the mental health of the user, that's for damn sure.

Violent sociopaths, the lot of ye.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#127 - 2014-07-27 14:46:28 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Don't think I even own a mining barge, lady. What I do in space is exactly what I say I do, providing several hundred high quality vessels, ammunition and modules to theaters of war across New Eden every week. Next to that, my laboratories work 24/7 on a variety of delightful projects of either destruction or creation depending on the need at the time.

I don't even have to stab anyone to do it.

Seriously, you guys don't see the problem with stabbing other people? This is civilized and humane behaviour to you? There's a reason you lock people up when they do this, often demanding a certain amount of therapy in the process. Using a bloody sword? That's just crazy on a whole 'nother level. At least knives have some practical uses as tools. Swords are just massively impractical weapons that have about as much usefulness as a piece of string against anyone you might have to use it on. You know, people with guns.

Choosing to carry a bloody sword around in this day and age says some very scary things about the mental health of the user, that's for damn sure.

Violent sociopaths, the lot of ye.


Killing others is serious and brutal business, Ms Otsito. Whether it in a space craft or in someone's face.

Your adversity to aggression in person while tolerant of aggression in space it seems is ... interesting.

Would you like me to detail the sick, inhumane and depraved things my pilot Ms Patoria was subjected too in her time in slavery? I'm doubtful IGS censors would allow me to talk of it in open way, but if you believe knife in someone's face is barbaric then you have very, very much to learn.

I will watch with interest to see just how well, or poorly, you are able to match your mouth with your actions.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#128 - 2014-07-27 15:08:57 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
I do not plan to have my clone-base destroyed anytime soon and until I do I am control of my destiny.

No one really does until things just happen.

Yessir, and I'm sure the Jove will return someday too.

Probably about same time sleeper drones siege my home.

Funny, but that is not what I was talking about.

Admiral Yanala probably didn't plan for her clone to fail and thought that she was in control too, but alas it wasn't so. Funny sebiestor and her friend didn't plan to get bombed in their luxury cabins too.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#129 - 2014-07-27 15:17:18 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
I do not plan to have my clone-base destroyed anytime soon and until I do I am control of my destiny.

No one really does until things just happen.

Yessir, and I'm sure the Jove will return someday too.

Probably about same time sleeper drones siege my home.

Funny, but that is not what I was talking about.

Admiral Yanala probably didn't plan for her clone to fail and thought that she was in control too, but alas it wasn't so. Funny sebiestor and her friend didn't plan to get bombed in their luxury cabins too.

Understandable, and fair point sir.

Honestly anything possible in this world.

But I choose not to live my life, or steer my destiny, by the things that have barely the remotest chance of ever occurring.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#130 - 2014-07-27 15:19:46 UTC
Oh yes, "someone did this, so it's okay if I do that." That certainly makes everything kosher. The difference between stabbing someone and a war fought between nations should also be rather obvious.

Not that I suspect the difference will be appreciated when there's such vehement defense of barbarism here.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#131 - 2014-07-27 15:34:36 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Oh yes, "someone did this, so it's okay if I do that." That certainly makes everything kosher. The difference between stabbing someone and a war fought between nations should also be rather obvious.

Not that I suspect the difference will be appreciated when there's such vehement defense of barbarism here.

Ms Otsito, I do whatever I need do to protect both well being and honor of my family and pilots.

If that includes acts some call barbaric then so be it.

If you choose to differentiate war between capsuleer, corporation, nation or two individual standing face-to-face with some moral compass you feel make you superior then is your business and right to do so.

But you dishonor me and disrespect one of my dearest pilot with grand words, snide remarks and a direction to take disputes to space. Well I have done that now and I am not interested in any of your words.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#132 - 2014-07-27 15:35:11 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Don't think I even own a mining barge, lady. What I do in space is exactly what I say I do, providing several hundred high quality vessels, ammunition and modules to theaters of war across New Eden every week. Next to that, my laboratories work 24/7 on a variety of delightful projects of either destruction or creation depending on the need at the time.

I don't even have to stab anyone to do it.

Seriously, you guys don't see the problem with stabbing other people? This is civilized and humane behaviour to you? There's a reason you lock people up when they do this, often demanding a certain amount of therapy in the process. Using a bloody sword? That's just crazy on a whole 'nother level. At least knives have some practical uses as tools. Swords are just massively impractical weapons that have about as much usefulness as a piece of string against anyone you might have to use it on. You know, people with guns.

Choosing to carry a bloody sword around in this day and age says some very scary things about the mental health of the user, that's for damn sure.

Violent sociopaths, the lot of ye.



I find it odd that a capsuleer like you can call people who uses blade weapons sociopaths when we capsuleers are capable of killing several hundreds of people by launching a deadly volley through our mind. When you kill a person in a melee combat you get to experience the person you are facing, you have to put effort into dealing the killing blow so you will feel the consequences and you will know you have taken a life. In the meanwhile there are capsuleers who are only thinking about how big of a bounty they will get from concord. So let me ask you. What is inhumane to you?

I'm minmatar. And in our society the use of blade weapons is still common. Some need them for survival but for many people it has been a part of our culture. After becomming a capsuleer I still keep my martial art and other figthing skills up to date. It has become a hobby to me and I enjoy practicing. I will probably never need it again for survival but I still keep knives on me when I am outside my pod. The feeling that there might be someone waiting to jump you around the corner never dissapears completely. Even when you as capsuleer got several levels of security. But for someone like you mrs. Otsito who has grown up in completely different conditions it may be hard to understand.

Now, the real psycopaths here are the ones claiming to have the power to decide what happens to people after their deaths. Telling people that they are going to hell unless they are doing what you want them to do sounds like a desperate attempt to explain your reasons, or rather lack of the same. Every culture have their own way to explain what happens after death and I think this subject is sacred to individual person and his/her closest. But in the end we are just a bunch of atoms argueing over something insignificant when seen in the larger scale of the universe.

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#133 - 2014-07-27 15:48:38 UTC
Well well, a voice of reason and an actual argument for stabby stab that isn't grounded in deep-seated emotional issues. Occasionally the IGS does produce an interesting person.

Yes, it may sound odd that I don't equate the willful murder of another human being with a blade to the unfortunate destruction in a war, but it's a rather significant difference to be found here. There's nothing personal about blasters tearing ships apart, unless the eggers in question have made it so. There's a war going on and the causes, effects and motivations are far greater than the individuals involved.

The violent murder of another human being will never have that level of justification, legal sanction or military purpose. I can see a cultural use of bladed weapons and certainly see the usefulness of a good knife as a tool, but carrying them to defend yourself from others or intending to use it aggressively says some very scary things about the society you live in.

From a purely practical standpoint, it's not even very useful compared to a compact coil popper or any number of highly effective ranged and melee deterrents any number of defense companies will throw at you the moment you enter their storefronts.

From an egger standpoint, it becomes even more odd when you consider that our pocket change will buy you an entire heavily armed army of people trained infinitely better than we ever could be. But no... knives. Stabbing.

Now, the people who claim to know what happens after we die I wouldn't exactly call psychopaths on that criteria along. They're just staggeringly delusional, sadly.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#134 - 2014-07-27 16:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
Nothing is personal when you are fighting for survival. If it's either you or him. It's time to toss the feelings aside and hope that the combination of adrenalin and experiance can get you through it.

We tend to forget that not everyone are privileged to have a society to fully protect them. There are billion of people out there who only got themself and their friends and family to protect keep them safe. But of course it is easy for capsuleers, politicians and other high people to forget this when they are busy to push their own agenda and fight their enemies (This very Summit is a clear example of this), but in the end it is always the people at the buttom who will suffer most. And to them a sharp blade may be the only thing that keeps them from death.

And then there are us who reached a position where it no longer is nescessary, but our brain is still unable to accept that.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#135 - 2014-07-27 18:16:03 UTC
But... I like pointy things Sad

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#136 - 2014-07-27 18:54:27 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.

For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.


The reason I didn't follow the biggest payday and turn pirate? Couldn't in all conscience follow a path that would demand I fired on State ships. Shame you lack the same basic sense of decency. Most animals know enough to know not to eat their own.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#137 - 2014-07-27 19:02:01 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
From an egger standpoint, it becomes even more odd when you consider that our pocket change will buy you an entire heavily armed army of people trained infinitely better than we ever could be. But no... knives. Stabbing.


For someone who seems so politically aware you don't understand the necessity for getting the job done yourself, sometimes? Knives are relatively easy to conceal, fast, silent and also have a certain psychological impact that even firearms sometimes lack. There's something about the prospect of having a length of metal (or other material) physically forced into them that appalls the average, rational, human being. This fear can be exploited.

In addition there's the old adage that the only way to keep a secret is to tell only one other person and then kill them. You can do this if you have a working knowledge of the art of killing.

Here's a concept that should appeal to the Engineer in you. Redundancy. It's all very well being able to hire people who are walking death incarnate, but the idea of entrusting my survival entirely to the hands of paid professionals is simply a bit of a risk, to me. I had a certain skillset before I became an egger, one that I've added to since, and this means that I talk the same language as the people I hire to do security.

And that's just about standards. And when it comes to the physical security of myself and the people I care about, standards need to be high.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Utsukushi Shi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-07-27 23:12:37 UTC
Enslaving the Dusette sisters would be a terrible thing for the Empire. There's not enough of them to go around and each Holder will want one.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#139 - 2014-07-28 00:55:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
From an egger standpoint, it becomes even more odd when you consider that our pocket change will buy you an entire heavily armed army of people trained infinitely better than we ever could be. But no... knives. Stabbing.


For someone who seems so politically aware you don't understand the necessity for getting the job done yourself, sometimes? Knives are relatively easy to conceal, fast, silent and also have a certain psychological impact that even firearms sometimes lack. There's something about the prospect of having a length of metal (or other material) physically forced into them that appalls the average, rational, human being. This fear can be exploited.

In addition there's the old adage that the only way to keep a secret is to tell only one other person and then kill them. You can do this if you have a working knowledge of the art of killing.

Here's a concept that should appeal to the Engineer in you. Redundancy. It's all very well being able to hire people who are walking death incarnate, but the idea of entrusting my survival entirely to the hands of paid professionals is simply a bit of a risk, to me. I had a certain skillset before I became an egger, one that I've added to since, and this means that I talk the same language as the people I hire to do security.

And that's just about standards. And when it comes to the physical security of myself and the people I care about, standards need to be high.

Basiclly, we like pointy things, don't judge us.Evil

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Kale Silence
Doomheim
#140 - 2014-07-28 03:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kale Silence
Chronoxi wrote:


"Amarr Religion Bullsh**"

It is not uncommon for savage heathens to confuse Nauplius's heresies with that of proper Amarrian faith, since all you can see is we use slaves, but never understand what slavery is. Blooder heretics uses their slave for some misguided sadistic rituals and suicidal task, in direct opposition to God's will.


Keep talkin' bub. You're only proving my point.

Idiots...