Wormholes

My family care little for taxes, sir, or unions.

We quite happy with the general state of of EVE.

If they fix those dresses though we be really happy.

Okay - so what about all the players that DID plan for the long term : got their POSes / WH's set up, researched their BPO's to just the right amount? Now, they have increased costs and possibly YEARS of additional research time to do what they did before. How can you plan for that? Isn't that counter to what this patch purports to do?

The problem here is that again CCP demonstrates their ability to not understand the problems in the game. Even with the "hard limit" to manufacturing, the markets were flooded with goods. The problem with the industry side of things in the game was not the lack of manufacturing slots, but the way the market is set up.

Market hubs are just modernized versions of the city bazaar. However, the problem with the market in EVE as compared to a bazaar is that only 1 person may sell their product at a given station at a time. So, you could have 50 people making Gyro 2's, but only 1 person can sell them. Fozzie himself even said the goal was to keep everyone from manufacturing in Jita 4-4. However, that potential problem only existed because of the "fix" to industry. What they didn't address was that everyone still SELLS in Jita 4-4. Before, 50 people could manufacture and 1 could sell. Now, a potentially limitless amount of people can manufacture, but only 1 can sell.

People in 0.0 stations didn't have this problem, because sales are NOT dictated by how much product you can create, but how much you can sell. After this patch, the exact same amount of product can sell at any given time (exactly 1 stack), but supply can be greatly increased at a much greater cost. Well done - you missed the target again. You know who could have explained this to you BEFORE the patch? An economist.

FYI, Fozzie, calling this anything but an ISK sink is insulting to everyone involved. Your "lore" joke backfired, and then after your long explanation of "why" you did it, you sum it up the best this way : "As most of you have probably realized, the cost scaling was implemented primarily for gameplay and balance reasons, not strictly for role-playing purposes. " I.e., you need to take some ISK out of the economy and this is a decent way to do it. In other words, this patch is a hotfix for the ISK-printer known as "incursions".

how do the teams get into a wh? the current magic spawning mechanic is crap ...
make them an item like in those courier mission and have people move them to the destination. with the possibility to gank and/or hijack them.

I laughed full volume when Fozzie wrote:

This

"hey guys, this is not an isk sink. Not an isk sink." *waves hand*

Imagine how broken it would be in the current system to not get taxed in a WH. just imagine the only way to make a decent profit was in WH space. EvE would die and the economy would tank.

Then




Your little magic elves "Teams", the infinite assembly lines, and the System Wide based tax assessment are the three features you forced down our throats which I find the most infuriating in this last release.

The magical "teams" are a horrible idea and whoever thought of them should feel bad. Instead there should have been a series of collaborative tools to let Industrialists be able to work in their individual cells yet harness other related operational cells in constructive manners. (i.e. ability to que subcomponents, minerals w/ delivery schedules, and ongoing payment cycles etc).

The infinite Assembly Lines are just a terrible thing no matter how you cut it. I am sorry Fozzie but I am not buying your excuses at all for this. Here you are acting like CCP provided the myriad of lines out of the goodness of their hearts in order to enable economy of scale production. However this flies straight in the face of what CCP previously stated. In the overhyped ramp up to Crisus there were the fun discussions about the vital need to spread industry out across a larger portion of EVE because only a relatively small portion of EVE NPC stations were being utilized for a large portion of production. The introduction of Infinite Assembly Lines flies straight in the face of this objective.

I understand the idea of having adjusted fees for use in stations... NPC or Outpost. However this fee should be determined based on utilization in JUST that one station/outpost. Why do costs for a POS go up because a station on the other end of the solar system is being overworked? That reeks of the result of poorly generalized coding. Additionally POS, are being perpetually paid via their fuel costs. Making POS owners double pay is just a slap in the face, be it HS, LS, NPC 0.0, SOV, or WH. (Now if POS owners wish to pay an ISK fee for an OPTIONAL PREMIUM Rushed Service... that would be another issue.)

If you want to start the whole "lets pay for support staff" angle though I am fully on board, but only if it is universally applied. By your own logic, ships should charge 1% of their value each time you shift them from Packaged to Assembled form.
Also ships that never dock, should probably have ongoing monthly sustainment Fees.

Fozzie's Wall of Text:



Next expansion! Whoooo! Heard it here first!





If they did'nt want people living in WH space; all they had to do was goto the line of code that allows one to anchor and then turn on a tower in the system.

They didn't, and the glorious 'sandbox' of EVE rushed to fill the void. Now they have to accept that the players made something out of their nothing. Oh no! They created their own content. For shaaaaaame.

Nice bait, would reply again. =]

Yes it will be optional, you will be able to select either personal or corporation wallet for jobs, provided you have access to the corporation wallet. Otherwise just personal wallet.

Though i don't particularly care all that much about this added cost to manufacturing, it's small potato's really, I do agree that it makes no sense for wh-space. Its concord for highsec, but unions for wormholes? I'd be kicking these guys out the nearest airlock, it's my damn solar system after all.

Wormhole industry is already on hardcore mode with all the logistics and hassle that comes with anyone mass producing items, to the point where most people do it elsewhere. I guess that applies even more so now, far easier from a POS a few jumps from a trade hub. I would have thought it would be obvious to simply not apply it to wormhole space. But then, i guess that's too much hassle for CCP.

Not that I care about a small extra payment, i personally think these industry changes are pretty awesome.