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Material Efficiency Refund?

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Denize
Echoes Infinitum
#1 - 2014-07-26 12:48:35 UTC

So, i trained production efficiency back then to use less materials, and now it ended up
being a time reducing skill which is utter useless to me.

Why do we not get a refund of points, since you totally destroyed
the skill and replaced it with something completely different?

i have no need whatsoever for the skill you gave me as replacement.


- Denize
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-07-26 12:50:14 UTC
Denize wrote:

So, i trained production efficiency back then to use less materials, and now it ended up
being a time reducing skill which is utter useless to me.

Why do we not get a refund of points, since you totally destroyed
the skill and replaced it with something completely different?

i have no need whatsoever for the skill you gave me as replacement.


- Denize


Faster production means more runs in less time which means more isk in less time. The skill is still good to have, no refund for you.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-26 12:51:15 UTC
They've already specifically stated in another thread that there will be no refunds for the old ME skill.
Denize
Echoes Infinitum
#4 - 2014-07-26 12:52:15 UTC
if you're not selling all your stuff instantly and making huge amounts of stuff
production speed matters very little.

point being, they killed my skill and replaced it with another >I< do not need.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#5 - 2014-07-26 12:52:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Faster production means more runs in less time which means more isk in less time. The skill is still good to have, no refund for you.

Regardless of whether it's useful or not I can see the logic of refunding a skill that no longer does what you trained for.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-26 12:54:00 UTC
Denize wrote:
if you're not selling all your stuff instantly and making huge amounts of stuff
production speed matters very little.

point being, they killed my skill and replaced it with another >I< do not need.

You mean your stuff doesn't sell instantly? You may need to find a new market to dabble in. Blink
Denize
Echoes Infinitum
#7 - 2014-07-26 12:59:16 UTC
that's actually the whole issue for me, i build things really slow, and every few months or so
i actually move my lazy behind, and go sell the things, they could make prodution time 10x
and it really wouldnt bother me... Big smile
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-26 12:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Lazy dude question: weren't they considering changing it further? Any less lazy dude have an update?


EDIT: oh sorry, forgot about you OP *hugs OP and pats her back* 'it's gonna be ok, I promise'

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2014-07-26 13:00:32 UTC
Denize wrote:
if you're not selling all your stuff instantly and making huge amounts of stuff
production speed matters very little.

point being, they killed my skill and replaced it with another >I< do not need.

…but which you benefit from fully and which helps you reduce your production costs (to say nothing of your production agility).
Denize
Echoes Infinitum
#10 - 2014-07-26 13:04:22 UTC
Derrick Miles got the point i was trying to make.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-07-26 13:11:12 UTC
Denize wrote:
Derrick Miles got the point i was trying to make.


Still won't get SP back. The skill still gives you an advantage even if you chose to not take advantage of it.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-26 13:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Hey, I'm not so lazy, after all!

Next week the old ME should give -3% time reduction/level to all jobs, instead of -1%/level just for manufacturing.

If that doesn't make you happy, OP, nothing will!

But since Greyscale is such a nice dude, you can post here anything more you'd want that skill to do in the future.

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Chic Botany
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-07-26 14:39:23 UTC
Denize wrote:

So, i trained production efficiency back then to use less materials, and now it ended up
being a time reducing skill which is utter useless to me.

Why do we not get a refund of points, since you totally destroyed
the skill and replaced it with something completely different?

i have no need whatsoever for the skill you gave me as replacement.


- Denize

So you've had the benefit of lower production costs since you trained pe, now ccp changed something and you want a "refund" on something you've already had the benefit from.

I agree that there should have been a skill point reimbursement but only for people who have never built anything after training the production efficiency skill.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2014-07-26 14:39:54 UTC
Denize wrote:
that's actually the whole issue for me, i build things really slow, and every few months or so
i actually move my lazy behind, and go sell the things, they could make prodution time 10x
and it really wouldnt bother me... Big smile
Just so you know, you still save 5% of the production line cost by having that skill.
But yeah, it's not getting refunded, so either live with it or quit, either choice is acceptable. Before you ask, scientific networking isn't getting refunded either, even though that's pretty useless now too.

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#15 - 2014-07-26 16:33:54 UTC
It's not the same skill though. Different name, different bonus and certainly not the skill the OP bought and trained. What's so difficult about refunding the skillpoints and letting her put them into a skill she actually wants?

Who put the goat in there?
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#16 - 2014-07-26 16:40:44 UTC
Denize wrote:

So, i trained production efficiency back then to use less materials, and now it ended up
being a time reducing skill which is utter useless to me.

Why do we not get a refund of points, since you totally destroyed
the skill and replaced it with something completely different?

i have no need whatsoever for the skill you gave me as replacement.


- Denize

Read all about it here (dev feedback and involvement in discussion included): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=360465&find=unread
Mario Putzo
#17 - 2014-07-26 16:46:12 UTC
Should give people the SP back and if they want Time reduction than they can put the SP back into it. Its an entirely new skill, and not even remotely the same as it was.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-07-26 17:44:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Denize wrote:
that's actually the whole issue for me, i build things really slow, and every few months or so
i actually move my lazy behind, and go sell the things, they could make prodution time 10x
and it really wouldnt bother me... Big smile
Just so you know, you still save 5% of the production line cost by having that skill.
But yeah, it's not getting refunded, so either live with it or quit, either choice is acceptable. Before you ask, scientific networking isn't getting refunded either, even though that's pretty useless now too.
Actually next week it's going to be -15% time on ALL jobs: manufacturing, copying, invention, time efficiency research, material efficiency research. As the dev said in the appropriate thread.

So, not so bad.

And why do you say Scientific Networking is useless? It's handy if you're using NPC stations. It also seems to even work cross-region, not sure if it's a temporary bug though.

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Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-07-26 19:42:22 UTC
Denize wrote:

So, i trained production efficiency back then to use less materials, and now it ended up
being a time reducing skill which is utter useless to me.

Why do we not get a refund of points, since you totally destroyed
the skill and replaced it with something completely different?

i have no need whatsoever for the skill you gave me as replacement.


- Denize


Welcome to EVE Online, brought to you by CCP. Where you should always expect them to change anything and everything they want, and rarely in the way we want.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#20 - 2014-07-26 20:06:04 UTC
CCP has only ever given refunds of combat related skill, the skills in question are industry.
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