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Should I give up on Null?

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#21 - 2014-07-26 13:10:40 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Now EVE is a PvP game


I disagree. I dont think EVE is a PvP game. Well... for me it is. And maybe for you as well. But that doenst make it a PvP game. A single dude being happy with farming lvl4's all day long means its no longer a PvP game. Cos there's atleast 1 dude PvE-ing.

EVE is a game with a large number of PvP options. Including some that allow interaction with PvE mechanics. The reason some look down on others (for whatever reason) is a problem off the whiner. An inability rather. Not the dude doing whatever he wants to do with his time.

That all being said; you may be right about it not being a bittervet thing. They appear to me to be most afflicted by this inability to play your own EVE instead of some version made up by others.
Arcelian
0nus
#22 - 2014-07-26 13:13:55 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Pheusia wrote:


Well pretty much any worthwhile corp is going to at least want an API and will expect you to join their community. It sounds like what you're expecting is a group of people who will just let you use their space how and when you like and not contribute anything yourself. Have you considered thinking about why they would want you to be a member? Few nullsec groups are eager to recruit leeches.



I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.

What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.

That's what I dislike about null


Well, first you have your alliance forum password, then the coalition forum username/password, also alliance pidgin username/password, and then the coalition username/password, team speak alliance address/PW, coalition teamspeak alliance/PW.....Oh, mumble too, because not everyone uses teamspeak.

And I think there were more, I remember having a word document to keep track of it all.

Oh yeah, I miss that a LOT.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#23 - 2014-07-26 13:15:30 UTC
So find corp where you don't have to register anywhere to access their stuff. I don't know what you expect from this thread, that somebody will came here and make an exception from their procedures just for you or sth?

It is a frakking game not a RL, just make a decision and all you can lose is pixels. I have no idea why people insist so much on making their playtime so horrible and not enjoyable.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#24 - 2014-07-26 13:17:54 UTC
I think he just wants friends to play with.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#25 - 2014-07-26 13:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The first ting to be clear on is what do you want out of the game, do you have any objectives that will keep you interested, then play as you want regardless of the views of others.

I have the following objectives:

- To be difficult to kill (acheived)
- To frustrate and kill gankbears (largely acheived, last one was more of a loss on my part, oh well...)
- To be able to and to actually fly every sub-cap in the game (almost there)
- To use a dread and survive at least once (have the dread, no suitable target...)
- To get on a Titan kill
- To build up a fleet of ships fully fitted ready to use as needed (Completed)

ISK for me is a means to an end, so I operate to get ISK to meet those goals, cufrrently I am doing level 4's in hisec and will pop to NPC 0.0 when I feel like it to force some campers to waste electricity on 10 characters to camp my two, actually thats Eve in a nutshell, playing eve is best done when playing another game, its what all the bittervets do, I happen to play Eve on my old computer and play just when I feel like it or if there is a clear system, most of the time I am on my super new gaming PC playing something else, after all you might as well do what the bittervets do...

I see no fun in being ordered around and told I must be there when my wife's sleep patterns come first to me, I do not want to work in Eve to pay a rent to enable people to lord it over me.

Which is why I operate in NPC 0.0 and hisec and have the ability to go to various different locations as needed. So play your own game, at times it can be frustrating as the cards are stacked up against you but in the main its a blast, one thing I seriously recommend is get in a T3 and use a WH to get into deep null and just do what you want.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-07-26 14:20:27 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
This is the exact reason I will never strive to become a major entity in this game. I'm trustworthy so far as the game goes, if i were given access to anything I'd leave it be unless i planned to give it back. Everyone is an expert and refuses to accept things can be done multiple ways, because theirs is best.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-07-26 15:41:09 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.

What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.

That's what I dislike about null

You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships. Roll

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#28 - 2014-07-26 15:47:14 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


The experience in null varies greatly depending on who you play with. If you feel that you don't like what the current group of players around you are doing and can't identify yourself with their gameplay, try finding a group of players who are looking for similar things you are after. I had a great experience in null because I was lucky to find a group of players who are playing the game the same way I wanted to play it. It didn't mattered whether we were winning or losing, the fun was there either way. Smile
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-07-26 15:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Otuk Andven
Rhes wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.

What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.

That's what I dislike about null

You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships. Roll


ok check to make sure your flying with a valid fleet commander, write down his name, find his SRP ID (which is not written down anywhere in-game). Make sure you were flying a doctrine ship. Find out there is another authentication thing you have to do, get authenticated. Send off application. Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.

Never matter anyway as I never lost anything larger than a destroyer (at least on a alliance fleet), lost some stuff to importune anti-raiding action with isn't covered by SRP

whats your SRP programme?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-07-26 15:56:28 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:


In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.



Embrace the spirit of "SERENITY" my friend... set yourself free... leave the renter "Slavelands" while you can.

The truth is out there, and it's simply this: IT's YOU who's being farmed, and your renter slumlord is laughing all the way to Jita about how many fools are actually being suckered.

Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-07-26 16:01:54 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
whats your SRP programme?

I make a post on our forums.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-07-26 16:09:02 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:

whats your SRP programme?

I start a post on a forum, with a few minor (and easy to track) details, double check to make sure I wasn't flying some completely hurrdurr fit, and hit post. ISK is recieved in relatively short order.
Why it needs to be more complicated than this, is anyone's guess. However, for those who do make it obnoxiously difficult: their alliance, their rules.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2014-07-26 17:54:44 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Nullsec is a renting simulator.

If you like being a tenant - stay.
If you don't like to do that - leave.

Binary choice, really.

I sure wouldn't want to be Vince Draken's pet.

Back to highsec it is.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-07-26 18:23:00 UTC
WH space is fun. Your neighborhood is constantly changing. Always a new neighbor next door to fight. Always a new system to explore. You make your own rules and fly your own way. Get in with a cool group that isnt all about all those nullsec rules, and you'll have plenty of fun.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#35 - 2014-07-26 18:47:00 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


W-Space is a thousand times better than Null. People always view Null as the "end game" but really it's W-Space. No TiDi, no supercaps, no hotdropping, good community, you only need to PvE a little bit to be rich, and you don't have to worry about AFK cloakers because you just assume there's someone cloaked 5k off you at all times.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-26 19:11:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sounds like highsec l4s are for you.


Just to emphasise this point....
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#37 - 2014-07-26 19:43:03 UTC
I been living in Providence now for two months. With our rules I found it to much much better than ever and it's made it so much easier to enjoy being there. I have goals, I have a set of goals to buy specific Amarr ships. I rat, I mine and all the isk I make is mine to save for these ships, fact is I'm closing in on getting my second Apoc next week at the rate I'm going.

The risk and rewards are much better for me to undock and go do what I do, it's watching local, book mark safe spots if need be, it's keeping a sharp eye out for anything that comes in a system or two, it requires dillegence to be on guard at all times.

My corpmates have gone out of their way to help and advise about ship fittings and such. Running combat sites which pays out huge dividends has really made it so much easier and meeting my goals are easily reached.

My friend, this what I experience and take some of the sincere advice you are given, do what you want to do, see what direction you want to go in. Nulsec is really much safer than hisec I can tell you that personally from the experience I gained. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.

Best of luck in your future.


Space Nun!!
Arcelian
0nus
#38 - 2014-07-26 19:45:32 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
I been living in Providence now for two months. With our rules I found it to much much better than ever and it's made it so much easier to enjoy being there. I have goals, I have a set of goals to buy specific Amarr ships. I rat, I mine and all the isk I make is mine to save for these ships, fact is I'm closing in on getting my second Apoc next week at the rate I'm going.

The risk and rewards are much better for me to undock and go do what I do, it's watching local, book mark safe spots if need be, it's keeping a sharp eye out for anything that comes in a system or two, it requires dillegence to be on guard at all times.

My corpmates have gone out of their way to help and advise about ship fittings and such. Running combat sites which pays out huge dividends has really made it so much easier and meeting my goals are easily reached.

My friend, this what I experience and take some of the sincere advice you are given, do what you want to do, see what direction you want to go in. Nulsec is really much safer than hisec I can tell you that personally from the experience I gained. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.

Best of luck in your future.


Space Nun!!


What?! No way.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#39 - 2014-07-26 19:56:40 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.

What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.

That's what I dislike about null

You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships. Roll


They aren't free. You pay with your soul. Seeing it crushed away, sent through a meat grinder.

Soylent Goons! It's made of people!!
Ryuu Towryk
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-07-26 20:46:30 UTC
Be your own boss.
More fun that way.
Sure it can make things harder, but meh. Better than dealing with politics in a freaking internet spaceships game.
Lol