Science & Industry

Well now that CCP have buggered up everyones years of invested time and billions of isk on BPO research AND thrown in way too many variables that now need to be taken into account without providing a a hint of a workaround, I have now found myself completely pi**ed because the stacked cost of manufacturing T2 ships is a damn joke.
I was in the process of building the components for a Crane/Sin and Kronos, had all the raw ingredients to make the components, and now these changes have made a relatively straightforward task anything but straightforward.

People at CCP need to realise that without industry, unless it is planned to take a 5 year step-back and have npc corps churn out ships and the like, this game will fail.... why? because people will just say... i've had enough of industry, let some other mug do all the running around for peanuts ( and you won't even be guaranteed peanuts ). The amount of industry jobs will decline ( sure the price will rise - but its too damn difficult now to make a buck ).

Mining minerals in empire is pretty much screwed because Hulks are way too easily blown apart by a few disposable destroyers in alts - thats still not been fixed.

What about Pos's: well, not everyone wants to be in a huge corp/alliance, theyre happy doing their own thing, yet running missions, doing t2 invention/building and exploration takes up all of their time and having to nip back every so often to empty/fill pos's ands to an already very busy capsuleers life, thats before we mention that building stuff inside a pos is more efficient.... That is if you then want to bolt onto your already very very busy schedule by adding to it with mining Ice.... if you can find any that hasn't been mined.

This game is supposed to be fun, a kind of relaxation/therapy even, its rapidly becoming a bombardment of a million tasks that all need to be done on a daily basis, therefore inducing extra stress and strains.

I notice your new Ceo's task is to ensure that buddy invites turn into regular players by using existing long term players to enhance their gameplay..... F**K that !!! Maybe her first task should be to pull her head out of her A**e.

I rapidly feel like this game is evolving way too fast, sure, some of the crios additions are nice, but I fear you have gone way way too far way too quickly.

I noticed about 4 or 5 years ago, that all the changes that CCP were putting in place were to force people into lowsec/nullsec/w/h space/PVP with very little in the lines of allowing people their own choice. Well, i'm a paying customer and I dare say that I am not the only one who feels that yet again we're being ignored.

Tell me, whilst some players are happy shooting the crap out of eachother in lowsec/nullsec, not everyone wants that career path and when the market runs out of ships to feed the pvp'ers, what then?

Yes, this is a moan - due largely down to the lack of balance that CCP is offering us capsuleers.

I personally have totally opposite feelings, T2 production has simplified a LOT, the new S&I system is mostly great improvement over the old one. I dont do big ships etc since they add bit of logistical hauling issues which im too lazy to handle without noticeable increase in profits.
Also i do all my stuff in my own POS, i have no idea why people insist on drilling their own ice or making all the PI stuff themselves, thats why markets exist.
Just stop industry if its not your thing, or wait a bit and look how it starts to work.

You have to think that CCP change what they want driving by real money. Everything they do is a business for them. Since 2 3 years they start sink a lot of ISK in everything. Remember the price of BSs. Server population drop so they have to do something to pay there salary.

What is the guy next to you doing that you can't do?

You mean less time is spent on installing jobs? If so, yes of course. As a inventor who used to put in 150 jobs for couple of hours a day and now, it's well over 500 jobs installed per day for the same amount of time, I'm pretty happy with that change.

You won't be after some time. And you' ll see why.

His bowing to a shytelord power bloc, ofc.

1. It's 20% more, iirc

2. Are you sure it's viable from ISK and time point of view to haul ore to nullsec? If yes, there's an advantage; if no it just means that nullsec afk miners will spend less time afk than highsec afk miners

we still need to up the limits for manufacturing and research jobs, still stuck @ 11 each, and also trade slots needs to increase from 305 so we can sell more items......don't know why they were over looked in the overhaul, and been skilled locked for years.

I still mine using Hulks as well, at least on the rare occasion that I mine.. which is rare. I buy my mats and usually mission or PVP between jobs so. But when I do I keep the 1 or 2 hulks in the orca and fly out in shuttles. That way if Im targeted I just empty the hold quick and swap over to a shuttle that is now in the battle tanked Orca. It can be a royal pain sometimes, but you do what you gotta do. I only use 2 accounts instead of 3 alot to make it easier. But a safe EVE is not EVE so I'm not complaining.

I actually really like the new UI a lot now that they just fixed the invention/team issue that I was having. That combined with unlimited slots is actually causing me to produce more then I ever have. Its taking a little longer to make the T2 BPC's wich I do not care for but its just to balance out the unlimited job slots wich I understand and am already adjusting to. I actually love being able to deliver and start a new batch of invention jobs with just a few clicks.

I do agree that they went a little to far all at once though. I would have preferred that teams did not exist and other then removing the standing for towers (wich I understand pisses the people off that already worked for it), I feel that they should have left the rest of the tower stuff alone. But overall everything is still manageable. I can anchor a tower now but still dont since I do not have the numbers to protect it and most corps that do have had someone with the standings to anchor one so I wonder if that really effects things.

As for ship production... Im with you on that a bit. It's always been hard to make a profit building ships. You HAVE to research the BPO's and even then the margin is small. But you can do it. I understand the growing pains but I would think that withing a month or so the market will reflect the changes and all will be OK again.. at least hopefully.. Inflation has been happening for quite some time in a lot of paces until recently.