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PVE? NO,only PVC(CCP).Maybe I should leave EVE too

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Peaceful Makbema
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-26 11:56:00 UTC
Being a PVE player in High-sec, I find it is hard to play a happy game nowadays.

I joined EVEonline 5 years ago, because I love universe-like online game. In that years there is few choice, and it is really very hard for me to settle in New Eden. I live in High-secs,not because I am a so called "pacificist", for I don't like politics in null and low-sec. I was ganked, cheated, and forced to protect my property, but all those are parts of the game, I enjoyed them . However, it is not old good time today, when I find CCP nerf the high-secs again and again.

CCP, you said it is a free game belongs to everyone, right? Everyone can Role-Play a character in the sandbox, right?
So, a high-sec civilian shouldn't be discriminated, right? But what you have done?
I used to be a loyalist, then you nerfed highsecs mission and LP value
I used to be a trader, then you chanced market rules
I used to be an explorer, then you make the scanning/hacking harder
Finally I think being a miner/manufacturer should make a peaceful life, then you rebuild the whole industry.

I know, changing is necessary for such a 11-year-old game, but not easy to all players, especially PVE players.
Each time you change the high-secs, each time I find it harder to play.
I know, being a Viking-culture game cooperation , you appreciate and encourage null secs behaviors, and seems try to make more and more people go to null secs, seems that your way is to nerf high-secs and make nulls situation more intense.

But don't you know that, everyone has their own values. If they don't like null, you can hardly change their minds.
The more you try to change their minds, the more they dislike the game. At last, they will leave.
In my view, there is not PVE in eve-online, but only PVC, Players vs CCP.
I don't mind any difficulties ingame, because I know I can suffer and get over them. But you, CCP, only you make me depressed and frustrated. I like a boom high-secs, and enjoy to bulid it, but you only focus on null. Maybe those null-sec alliance have more power and can give you more $-income, so it is more benefit to serve them? They need population, so you nerf the high-sec and dream that PVErs will head for null? Am I a lamb? Why don't you try to attract more players?

Now, it is 2014, not 2004 or 2009. There are lots of universe-like online game these days. Players have more choices.
I try to give myself a reason not to leave, but I fail.
I don't know what will happen to high-secs in future, may be you will finally deleted the whole highsec or make it a new null. I will not surprise if you really achieve.

Yes, I find I can no longer live in New Eden, a place where make me unhappy. Maybe I am a loser, and should be eliminated.

I use to love New Eden so much, but now I just what a "divorce"

You screw it up. Yes, you ,CCP
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2 - 2014-07-26 12:00:12 UTC
Didn't read.

The Tears Must Flow

Zerefin Ridarri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-26 12:00:19 UTC
I may have read this incorrectly, as your English needs a bit of work, but in the off chance I didn't...

You can just send me your assets, I'll make sure they get used.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2014-07-26 12:04:33 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
Each time you change the high-secs, each time I find it harder to play


Yes.
Get out of high-secs.



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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2014-07-26 12:05:55 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
I find it harder to play.

Cry
Arcelian
0nus
#6 - 2014-07-26 12:06:01 UTC
What?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2014-07-26 12:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
CCP, you said it is a free game belongs to everyone, right? Everyone can Role-Play a character in the sandbox, right?
So, a high-sec civilian shouldn't be discriminated, right? But what you have done?
I used to be a loyalist, then you nerfed highsecs mission and LP value
I used to be a trader, then you chanced market rules
I used to be an explorer, then you make the scanning/hacking harder
Finally I think being a miner/manufacturer should make a peaceful life, then you rebuild the whole industry.
Ehm… could you please elaborate a bit on those because some of them don't seem very familiar and none of them really seem to qualify as “nerfing highsec again and again”.

Missions haven't been nerfed since long before you joined. If anything, more has been added, especially when it comes to LP value.
The market rules are the same as ever.
Scanning and hacking have become a lot easier.
The rebuilding of industry is a huge buff to everyone involved.

And how do any of these discriminate against “high-sec civilians” when none of them have anything to do with highsec?
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-26 12:08:33 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:

I used to be an explorer, then you make the scanning/hacking harder

Okay, this was the only part that was really quote worthy. Were you hit over the head with a hammer at some point? Scanning and running sites has never been easier.
Heavypredator Singh
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2014-07-26 12:10:06 UTC
What is hard in hisec?
Maekchu
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-07-26 12:10:37 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
I use to love New Eden so much, but now I just what a "divorce"

I what a divorce too!
Pix Severus
Empty You
#11 - 2014-07-26 12:13:47 UTC
I'm getting in on the ground floor of this one.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-07-26 12:15:23 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
Being a PVE player in High-sec, I find it is hard to play a happy game nowadays.

I joined EVEonline 5 years ago, because I love universe-like online game. In that years there is few choice, and it is really very hard for me to settle in New Eden. I live in High-secs,not because I am a so called "pacificist", for I don't like politics in null and low-sec. I was ganked, cheated, and forced to protect my property, but all those are parts of the game, I enjoyed them . However, it is not old good time today, when I find CCP nerf the high-secs again and again.

CCP, you said it is a free game belongs to everyone, right? Everyone can Role-Play a character in the sandbox, right?
So, a high-sec civilian shouldn't be discriminated, right? But what you have done?
I used to be a loyalist, then you nerfed highsecs mission and LP value
I used to be a trader, then you chanced market rules
I used to be an explorer, then you make the scanning/hacking harder
Finally I think being a miner/manufacturer should make a peaceful life, then you rebuild the whole industry.

I know, changing is necessary for such a 11-year-old game, but not easy to all players, especially PVE players.
Each time you change the high-secs, each time I find it harder to play.
I know, being a Viking-culture game cooperation , you appreciate and encourage null secs behaviors, and seems try to make more and more people go to null secs, seems that your way is to nerf high-secs and make nulls situation more intense.

But don't you know that, everyone has their own values. If they don't like null, you can hardly change their minds.
The more you try to change their minds, the more they dislike the game. At last, they will leave.
In my view, there is not PVE in eve-online, but only PVC, Players vs CCP.
I don't mind any difficulties ingame, because I know I can suffer and get over them. But you, CCP, only you make me depressed and frustrated. I like a boom high-secs, and enjoy to bulid it, but you only focus on null. Maybe those null-sec alliance have more power and can give you more $-income, so it is more benefit to serve them? They need population, so you nerf the high-sec and dream that PVErs will head for null? Am I a lamb? Why don't you try to attract more players?

Now, it is 2014, not 2004 or 2009. There are lots of universe-like online game these days. Players have more choices.
I try to give myself a reason not to leave, but I fail.
I don't know what will happen to high-secs in future, may be you will finally deleted the whole highsec or make it a new null. I will not surprise if you really achieve.

Yes, I find I can no longer live in New Eden, a place where make me unhappy. Maybe I am a loser, and should be eliminated.

I use to love New Eden so much, but now I just what a "divorce"

You screw it up. Yes, you ,CCP


So you are going to quit because CCP are changing EVE so that the best rewards for activities are now located in the more dangerous areas of EVE that require more effort and risk on your part? Welp, one less bear.
Arcelian
0nus
#13 - 2014-07-26 12:34:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
Being a PVE player in High-sec, I find it is hard to play a happy game nowadays.

I joined EVEonline 5 years ago, because I love universe-like online game. In that years there is few choice, and it is really very hard for me to settle in New Eden. I live in High-secs,not because I am a so called "pacificist", for I don't like politics in null and low-sec. I was ganked, cheated, and forced to protect my property, but all those are parts of the game, I enjoyed them . However, it is not old good time today, when I find CCP nerf the high-secs again and again.

CCP, you said it is a free game belongs to everyone, right? Everyone can Role-Play a character in the sandbox, right?
So, a high-sec civilian shouldn't be discriminated, right? But what you have done?
I used to be a loyalist, then you nerfed highsecs mission and LP value
I used to be a trader, then you chanced market rules
I used to be an explorer, then you make the scanning/hacking harder
Finally I think being a miner/manufacturer should make a peaceful life, then you rebuild the whole industry.

I know, changing is necessary for such a 11-year-old game, but not easy to all players, especially PVE players.
Each time you change the high-secs, each time I find it harder to play.
I know, being a Viking-culture game cooperation , you appreciate and encourage null secs behaviors, and seems try to make more and more people go to null secs, seems that your way is to nerf high-secs and make nulls situation more intense.

But don't you know that, everyone has their own values. If they don't like null, you can hardly change their minds.
The more you try to change their minds, the more they dislike the game. At last, they will leave.
In my view, there is not PVE in eve-online, but only PVC, Players vs CCP.
I don't mind any difficulties ingame, because I know I can suffer and get over them. But you, CCP, only you make me depressed and frustrated. I like a boom high-secs, and enjoy to bulid it, but you only focus on null. Maybe those null-sec alliance have more power and can give you more $-income, so it is more benefit to serve them? They need population, so you nerf the high-sec and dream that PVErs will head for null? Am I a lamb? Why don't you try to attract more players?

Now, it is 2014, not 2004 or 2009. There are lots of universe-like online game these days. Players have more choices.
I try to give myself a reason not to leave, but I fail.
I don't know what will happen to high-secs in future, may be you will finally deleted the whole highsec or make it a new null. I will not surprise if you really achieve.

Yes, I find I can no longer live in New Eden, a place where make me unhappy. Maybe I am a loser, and should be eliminated.

I use to love New Eden so much, but now I just what a "divorce"

You screw it up. Yes, you ,CCP


So you are going to quit because CCP are changing EVE so that the best rewards for activities are now located in the more dangerous areas of EVE that require more effort and risk on your part?Welp, one less bear.


Effort and risk, huh...right...

Not saying the OP is right in any way, but that's some strong wording there to describe null...
Dave stark
#14 - 2014-07-26 12:36:38 UTC
Peaceful Makbema wrote:
However, it is not old good time today, when I find CCP nerf the high-secs again and again.


i know i've been busy at work, but i didn't think i'd missed anything in the patch notes.

what nerfs are you talking about?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-26 12:37:25 UTC
Sorry to rain in on OP's rant but can I also add my rant that lowsec should also be buffed. Why? Because I say so.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#16 - 2014-07-26 12:39:21 UTC
Posting in Stealth "CCP Devs Are Vikings" Thread.

Kidding.

But I agree in the core idea that everyone should have a place in the game and if ccp wish to encourage people to play in certain way or in certain type of space sec then just remove the other ones.
Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-07-26 12:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Minty Aroma
EVE deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.

I recommend you sign up for Hello Kitty: Online. But then again if enough EVE players did that it'll end up like this: What's new pussycat?

That or grow a stronger willy.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-07-26 12:42:21 UTC
If troll, 3/10 (would be 0/10 except the funny English).

If serious, I honestly do not understand what you're talking about.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-26 12:42:58 UTC
Arcelian wrote:

Effort and risk, huh...right...

Not saying the OP is right in any way, but that's some strong wording there to describe null...

First: Every time I see someone say something like this, I wonder if they've ever done anything in nullsec, beyond being a line member, shooting at red crosses for ISK, and occasionally joining a pvp fleet. There's a lot of pain in the ass involved with it.
Second: Nullsec happens to be a long term investment. The alliances that still hold space there, are receiving dividends for their previous risk and effort, on top of what is required to maintain the space.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-07-26 12:46:03 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Arcelian wrote:

Effort and risk, huh...right...

Not saying the OP is right in any way, but that's some strong wording there to describe null...

First: Every time I see someone say something like this, I wonder if they've ever done anything in nullsec, beyond being a line member, shooting at red crosses for ISK, and occasionally joining a pvp fleet. There's a lot of pain in the ass involved with it.
Second: Nullsec happens to be a long term investment. The alliances that still hold space there, are receiving dividends for their previous risk and effort, on top of what is required to maintain the space.

Grrr Goons!
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