Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wonder what's more stupid; .01 bids or 1M price cuts...

It's already here, like different meta items, DED space items, office ones - all of the same type, only differing with their quality.
What you asking is basically to clone, say, t2 1MN MWD and get almost identical items with slightly different numbers. It will add aditional chaos and will make to navigate market even harder, I don't shure this is a good thing, Eve have plenty of each module's variants already. And players - aside from those only starting to play Eve - tend not to not to take into account price difference less than several millions. So if worser MWD cost 1m, and better - 3m, they won't think twice when choosing the better one.

What could be more intresting - and authentic - is to make each single module unique, within certain limits. Like, Some_nice_guy's 1MN MWD2 is known to have slighlty less cap penalties, slightly less speed boost, slightly less sig penalties. To reduce strain it will place on database and server, It could be done through predetermined set of "perks" one can induce into the item during creation (even some "tuning" can be added which would allow inducing already manufactured items with said "perks"). Items could eve have clearly negative "perks" too - like said MWD affecting your shield boost in some irregular pattern, or has tendency to negate some amount of your ship's capactior's charge.

And also some of those "pecularities" shouldn't be visible from the start, like with real equipment. You only know that this_guys's MWD have somewhat lower quality, but don't know the actual size of parameters' reducton and side effects it has, only very rough estimation.

But the problem with all these is it will crash the game's server and database with enormous amounts of data needed to be taken into account. And people won't buy items which lack in quality and can unpredictably affect their survaivability. Well, unless those items will offer very huge boost in some other fields, which will make the risk worth it.

NO!

This suggestion is to add complexity (complicate things) just for the sake of more complexity, one of the worst reasons to invent or implement anything. One does not even have to consider all the nuaunces this will wreck existing gameplay from market to production to usage. And besides, if you are referring to the upcoming changes; I would wait with a suggestion until it is more clear what is going to happen, cause until then, this is mute.

Did I say: NO! ?

We should put up a top ten of worts suggestion, we already had like 3 best ones of all times this month - maybe we ll get a new record !

No, it's not me saying this or a personal opinion, it is a fact of design, be that gamedesign or other.

And the market is, what the market is, there will always be something that is perceived silly and that's all it is, perception. Why have 0,01 if you can have 1, why have 1 if you can count in 100, where 100 is the next 'iconic stage'... its always the same.

Cut this because someone feels it is too much, you cut it, the market balances itself out and the value (spending power) is the same again for what you earn and spent.... strange that most talking about the market haven't understood the most basic principles of economy.

And more complex is not = more fun. If you don't add anything to the content, the entertainment, something interesting, challenging ... you add more work which leads to confusion and frustration. Thank you, but 'NO'!


PS: And as a sidenote regarding design, 'more' is almost always worse in all cases.

Ah, yeah, sorry, forgot to answer to the second part.

There is a system thats called 'contracts', you might have heard whispers of it. It works excatly they way you want the market to be, you can choose your supplier, negotiate prices, delivery and select only the producers/ sellers you want to trade with, that you trust.
'And how to I find them' you might ask. Simple, if you buy only one unit of anything and check your transaction history, you will see the person you bought from, can search and resaerch that person, make contact etc ...

My advice would be to check the features we have before inventing new and more complicated ones which are superfluous.

And your reply had nothing to do with the quote, like your posts with the game, good job.

Youd did read what I wrote yes ?! ... the market is not anonymous, the market does provides that information, just in reverse. And you don't have to buy from the 1st on the list (I certainly don't always). This makes already 3 wrong observations combined with the fact you can not read or comprehend what has been written. Makes me doubt your competence.

I had people buy form me quantities of expensive items and I noticed the same buyer .. so I made contact. Ups, now you got A CONTACT

And just because you choose not to use them in conjunction does not mean you nor anyone else can't.

So many fails .. better leave this thread before I lose some braincells over this.

Sure, you are right.

Aeh