EVE General Discussion

I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.

Come to lowsec, at least until they fix null. It is magnificent.

Yeah guys Eve is supposed to be about love and caring about eachother.

There are no mechanics in null that will save you. That means you have to do things properly. Which involves bureaucracy. Halfhearted attemps will simply mean getting infiltrated, spied upon and eventually murdered by a group that did go all the way.

The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. The stage just before becoming a true vet. Every player has to go through it on their road to "hardcore EVE player". Once passed, people KNOW there's no such thing as the "right' way in a sandbox. Given enough time, everybody that sticks around will get it. Enjoyment is just an opinion/feeling.
You can help yourself by not caring about all the wannabe elitists. You do your thing, they do their thing. They feel your way is "wrong"? Does it really matter? Are you the one playing another man's game at that moment?

So here's the real question; Do you enjoy PVE-ing in nullsec and manage to chip in on the pvp part enough to be usefull?

If the stuff you mentioned causes the answer to be "no" ; get out. Check WH's as suggested or maybe lvl4's in h-sec?
If the stuff you mentioned doesnt really matter that much and the answer despite it all is still "yes" ; stay and do whatever you want.

If you're not enjoying it, you already have your answer.

You're saying that you feel disrespected, bored and preyed upon with no meaningful kills to make up for it. I imagine that you would not deal with that kind of treatment in real life, why would your in-game life be any different?

Whenever I play any game that has an element of role-play in it, I am my normal/true self with the added twist of the world/universe being magical/futuristic.

So my advice is follow your feelings and you will eventually find what makes you happy, even if that means ending the subscription.

Try Low-Sec. Try a different type of game style. Give yourself the goal of doing something combative or meaningful that impacts other people in the game. Once you get people you don't know to recognize you, the game becomes completely different. It's no longer about the ISK/hour like your 100 million relic sites, but more about how much your enjoying playing, talking, killing, and competing against other players.

I think you should give up on giving up on things.

What I mean is that it sounds a lot like you're doing something for its own sake rather than to further a goal of yours. You're in null collecting ISK because “yay, null ISK”, but what is it actually for?

If you can figure out a goal for yourself, it no longer becomes a matter of “giving up” on things (unless you find that your goal is wholly unreachable or just plain old boring) but of sorting the chaff from the wheat and discarding the stuff that does not serve your purpose. Maybe grinding ISK in null is part of the wheat, or maybe it's just chaff — either way, you need to find out and act accordingly, but without a goal to work towards, how are you to determine which is which?

As an added bonus, if you can figure out that goal, both the “wheat” and even the sorting itself can suddenly stop being quite as boring because now you see the meaning of it — what it leads up to and how it will help you. That little kick of motivation is often all it takes to transform a chore into something (reasonably) enjoyable.

I heard nullsec is a scary place where there are goons on every grid within the entire system and that they have bubbles on every celestial, gates and safe spots and have an AoE DD style weapon with a 80 AU range.

That's what the guys in NPC corp chat told me when I asked about nullsec as a newbie all thing months ago.

It sounds like you arent having fun in null from the tone of your post, and you pretty much answered your own question. There is plenty of space and plenty of things to do so if you arent having fun in null, go somewhere else where you are going to have fun. Nobody says that if you stage out of a specific security area that you cant daytrip into hi/low/null/wh space as you please.

Nullsec is a renting simulator.

If you like being a tenant - stay.
If you don't like to do that - leave.

Binary choice, really.

Just quit and be your own boss.

I quit Snigg / PL 3 years ago and I've been solo ever since. Best thing I ever did.

There's always something new to do.

1. Ninja salvage player battlefield T2 wrecks, loot (fly to big blobs on map)

2. Explore w-space in a good ship like a Stratios and kill C1 - C3 sleepers

3. Kill low-sec belt pirates for the possible Mordu's BPC drop, valuable mining upgrade drop, clone soldier tags, etc. Low-sec has gotten much much better lately.

4. Do some occasional solo pirating

5. Drop siphons on random people's dyspro moon and count your MONEY"S

6, Run ghost sites for great MONEY"S

And on and on.