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Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-07-23 15:11:34 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
The Empire is wayward and liberal, but it is still the Chosen Empire of God, and some day it shall be returned to the correct path. And the Empire is, practically speaking, the most likely instrument by which the genocide of the Minmatar people will be achieved, as commanded by God.


You are a fool that is twisting the holy scriptures to suit your own evil plans. If you believe your God commanded you to rule over a barren wasteland of death and nothingness, then the joke is on you.

Now get back into your cage

Because Far-que... That's why.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#42 - 2014-07-23 16:11:34 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
I understand enough about to Inferno to understand that if you stuff smart people with it they can invent things. I want to stuff the Empire's smart slaves with Inferno and make them invent weapons for the good of the Empire.


The good of an Empire that you consider to be wayward and liberal?

Wait... wait. I'm making the basic mistake of expecting you to be logical and coherent. Silly of me.


Well, it gets my vote. I can't see how elevating the intelligence of a group of Sebiestor slaves who hate your guts and have nothing to lose to superhuman extremes and then setting them loose in a weapons lab could possibly end badly.


Can't see that they'd need the Inferno for that to end very very badly. In fact, I'll pay to see this.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-07-23 16:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Can't see that they'd need the Inferno for that to end very very badly. In fact, I'll pay to see this.


The scenario I'm envisioning is one in which Nappy gets his fully justified comeuppance via a superhumanly foresighted gambit engineered by a vengeful Sebiestor on a supergenius-intellect-inducing drug.

So, I was completely truthful: I don't see how that could end badly. I CAN see how it might end cathartically well.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jade Blackwind
#44 - 2014-07-23 17:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Grrrrr.
Just WHY I end up liking all your posts, mr. Hakatain? You're too smart.

Actually, what he described above would be one of the most fitting exits for Nauplius.

Followed by: Podded by The Sign of G Ayallah, clone accident.

Followed by: Sacrificed to the Red God by a proper Blood Raider, head cut off, stuffed corpse on display in someone's quarters in Delve.

Followed by: Khumaak impact to the head, by (1) random slave (2) Speaker of Truth (3) Holder of Danera V -- have no idea who's that, must ask my Khanid contact. 4) Empress Jamyl.

:P
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-07-23 17:21:20 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
The Empire is wayward and liberal, but it is still the Chosen Empire of God, and some day it shall be returned to the correct path. And the Empire is, practically speaking, the most likely instrument by which the genocide of the Minmatar people will be achieved, as commanded by God.


You are a fool that is twisting the holy scriptures to suit your own evil plans. If you believe your God commanded you to rule over a barren wasteland of death and nothingness, then the joke is on you.

Now get back into your cage


I must agree with the Brutor except for the cage part, he really should be deleted from existence.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#46 - 2014-07-23 20:36:42 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Ayallah you do yourself no favors insulting the people you request help from.
-K


I am not a diplomat, I am a combat pilot. if a diplomat would like to help me that would be great.

I can never seem to match up my flight time with his, I have had quite a few locator agents try to find him but....


Lowsec Devoid Region.

That only helps if your not sleeping comfortably in a station whilst I attempt to hunt you.Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#47 - 2014-07-24 01:08:26 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Can't see that they'd need the Inferno for that to end very very badly. In fact, I'll pay to see this.


The scenario I'm envisioning is one in which Nappy gets his fully justified comeuppance via a superhumanly foresighted gambit engineered by a vengeful Sebiestor on a supergenius-intellect-inducing drug.

So, I was completely truthful: I don't see how that could end badly. I CAN see how it might end cathartically well.


I believe the danger can be mitigated by having the successful inventions quality checked by some volunteers of proven unquestionable loyalty, who take Inferno themselves and thus can verify what the slaves produce.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-07-24 01:22:04 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Ayallah you do yourself no favors insulting the people you request help from.
-K


I am not a diplomat, I am a combat pilot. if a diplomat would like to help me that would be great.

I can never seem to match up my flight time with his, I have had quite a few locator agents try to find him but....


Lowsec Devoid Region.

That only helps if your not sleeping comfortably in a station whilst I attempt to hunt you.Big smile


I usually see Nauplius in Tzvi or Tararan and occasionally Arzad local whenever I happen upon the area. I never see any of his frequently-flown ships on D-scan. Or if I do, they are making an exit to a stargate. You would think a tech I frigate, not even a Navy frigate, would entice him into engaging but it never happens.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-07-24 02:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Nauplius wrote:
I believe the danger can be mitigated by having the successful inventions quality checked by some volunteers of proven unquestionable loyalty, who take Inferno themselves and thus can verify what the slaves produce.


So in other words you're writing off volunteers anyway, which rather mitigates the supposed "benefits" of giving it to your slaves in the first place. If you're concerned about practicality, you might as well just cut out the middleman.

Thus confirming that this isn't a good idea on your part, it's just another excuse for sadism.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2014-07-24 02:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I usually see Nauplius in Tzvi or Tararan and occasionally Arzad local whenever I happen upon the area. I never see any of his frequently-flown ships on D-scan. Or if I do, they are making an exit to a stargate. You would think a tech I frigate, not even a Navy frigate, would entice him into engaging but it never happens.

It's the difference in flight times that has my attempts on his life all flustered..... Maby I'll just spend this weekend stalking him.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#51 - 2014-07-24 14:07:05 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

So in other words you're writing off volunteers anyway, which rather mitigates the supposed "benefits" of giving it to your slaves in the first place. If you're concerned about practicality, you might as well just cut out the middleman.

Thus confirming that this isn't a good idea on your part, it's just another excuse for sadism.


Not true. Of the slaves given Inferno, only some of them will produce useful weapons, and of those, only some will be considered for production. Only these last require verification, which of course may be performed not only by citizens but by slaves of unquestionable loyalty.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-07-24 14:11:05 UTC
Not like I can stop you. No matter - your arrogance will be your inevitable undoing, and I look forward to it.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-07-24 20:47:44 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
God has bestowed upon His Chosen people, the Amarr Empire, a mighty gift, if they would only use it.

Inferno. Industrial teams fueled by this substance have just begun hiring themselves out to the capsuleer sector. It offers those to whom it is injected a flash of brilliance...followed by collapse into a brain damaged vegetative state. And it is we Chosen who can benefit from it the most.

See, the other Empires, they have these the pesky things called "human rights" and "social justice" that kind of get in the way of injecting their citizens with a substance that turns them into vegetables. They have to somehow get volunteers, perhaps lured by the prospect of glory and fame, perhaps by securing a future for their heirs. And then they have to care for the post-crash vegetables, who might live on for decades.

But not us. For we have hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of filthy Sebiestor slaves in our borders, and of these there must be huge numbers of candidates for Inferno. Stuff them with Inferno. Put them to work designing weapons. Weapons of mass destruction. Doomsday devices. Minmatar-genome specific bioweapons. Kinds of weapons only an Inferno-addled brain could dream up. Stuff the slaves full of Inferno, and make them design a fleet that will bring New Eden to its knees.

And when the Inferno-stuffed slaves crash and become vegetables, we don't care for them. We dump them in a cave to die. And then stuff some more.

Empress Jamyl Sarum, the cluster has been handed you on a platter, if you would only give the order to take it. Amen. Amarr Victor.

This is the most inefficient usage of resources (as a workforce), that I have ever heard!

Imagine, you are building yourself a wooden house, and need to nail down planks. Your Sebiestors would be hammers, and your idea to make hammerheads explode on contact with a nail, making it go in position in just a couple of hits. But hammer goes FUBAR after that. And this means you need to buy crates of hammers, equal quantity to nails... instead of reusing hammer over and over again, and buy something more useful than tons of tools. In other words, you can use other Sebiestors for other things.

And, you know, if you are not content with quality or amount of scientific work your Sebiestors can produce, I highly recommend you outsourcing your scientific work to the State. We will provide you with way more efficient and quality research services, would you be able to pay for them. I recommend looking in direction of SuVee, according to one review, they employ the most professional research staff in our whole cluster.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#54 - 2014-07-25 00:39:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

This is the most inefficient usage of resources (as a workforce), that I have ever heard!

Imagine, you are building yourself a wooden house, and need to nail down planks. Your Sebiestors would be hammers, and your idea to make hammerheads explode on contact with a nail, making it go in position in just a couple of hits. But hammer goes FUBAR after that. And this means you need to buy crates of hammers, equal quantity to nails... instead of reusing hammer over and over again, and buy something more useful than tons of tools. In other words, you can use other Sebiestors for other things.


But most of the Sebiestor given Inferno would otherwise invent nothing. Given Inferno, they would at least invent one thing. The choice is between long-lived Sebiestor that produce nothing and short-lived Sebiestor that produce something.

Keep in mind also just how many slaves we have to use. The Caldari State has 8.411 Trillion people in it total. The Amarr Empire has about 20 Trillion just in slaves.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-07-25 13:32:14 UTC
Kim's right though, even with a vastly larger population that's no excuse for inefficiency and wastage.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-07-25 20:40:51 UTC
Okay so all of two people have even half attempted to help me so I guess either my pessimism was justified and you do all suck or what that lady said is true and I need a diplomat.

either way, the offer still stands.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ollie Rundle
#57 - 2014-07-26 05:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
Has anyone skilled in R&D, invention or manufacturing science tried this on themselves? It occurs to me that capsuleers with exceptional skill or knowledge in these areas might well be in a unique position not only to apply the benefits of Inferno but also to mitigate its adverse effects.
Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-07-26 05:15:01 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Okay so all of two people have even half attempted to help me so I guess either my pessimism was justified and you do all suck or what that lady said is true and I need a diplomat.

either way, the offer still stands.



10/10 would destroy locations of IN-06 being made.

                                 This thread has been Plundered.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-07-26 14:48:55 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Has anyone skilled in R&D, invention or manufacturing science tried this on themselves? It occurs to me that capsuleers with exceptional skill or knowledge in these areas might well be in a unique position not only to apply the benefits of Inferno but also to mitigate its adverse effects.


I will need a very cheap, flash-produced throwaway clone to use Inferno with any regularity without cutting the bottom line. The cost for this clone grade makes me nervous. I do not have the backing of a multi-trillion ISK corporation after all.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ollie Rundle
#60 - 2014-07-26 17:00:23 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I will need a very cheap, flash-produced throwaway clone to use Inferno with any regularity without cutting the bottom line. The cost for this clone grade makes me nervous. I do not have the backing of a multi-trillion ISK corporation after all.


You might find the backers come knocking your door down if you decide to pursue it though. In any case, it's probably an academic concern - there's still not enough of the substance readily available to make the suggested course of action an option that's likely to be commonly taken up.