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Burn Okkamon

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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-07-25 19:09:15 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
...to hand out free to people who join the defence.


You have to at least make people pay for their own ships. Even in derps, 2mil for each ship adds up fast.

If you don't want to get reimbursed for your fitting and shopping efforts, then use the extra money to pay for more JF runs to come into system. You can't put the burden of expense on the experienced pilots, everybody can earn money in FW.


It's not the isk that's the issue - 4 billion is a pittance and will get you several thousand plexing frigs - but the speed of reshipping. Handing them out for free is the fastest way to do it.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#22 - 2014-07-25 19:12:34 UTC
Honestly, if most of the Caldari that resided in Okkamon had been interested in solo and micro gang work instead of monster blobs and gatecamping lowsec gates (though not very well) we wouldn't have taken their home system (or even wanted to). But I told you all that a few weeks ago, so whatever.

Thanks for the fights and the system.

SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#23 - 2014-07-25 19:15:29 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
...to hand out free to people who join the defence.


You have to at least make people pay for their own ships. Even in derps, 2mil for each ship adds up fast.

If you don't want to get reimbursed for your fitting and shopping efforts, then use the extra money to pay for more JF runs to come into system. You can't put the burden of expense on the experienced pilots, everybody can earn money in FW.


It's not the isk that's the issue - 4 billion is a pittance and will get you several thousand plexing frigs - but the speed of reshipping. Handing them out for free is the fastest way to do it.

We rarely hand out things for free. And we seem to reship just fine. Although we do use the "you break it you buy it" policy but that tends to be for ships we have limited numbers of, such as logi.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-07-25 19:16:55 UTC
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
...to hand out free to people who join the defence.


You have to at least make people pay for their own ships. Even in derps, 2mil for each ship adds up fast.

If you don't want to get reimbursed for your fitting and shopping efforts, then use the extra money to pay for more JF runs to come into system. You can't put the burden of expense on the experienced pilots, everybody can earn money in FW.


It's not the isk that's the issue - 4 billion is a pittance and will get you several thousand plexing frigs - but the speed of reshipping. Handing them out for free is the fastest way to do it.

We rarely hand out things for free. And we seem to reship just fine. Although we do use the "you break it you buy it" policy but that tends to be for ships we have limited numbers of, such as logi.


I suppose the question of whether they should be free is a matter of taste. They should certainly be there whether they are charged for or not.
Commander Razama
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-07-25 19:22:28 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Honestly, if most of the Caldari that resided in Okkamon had been interested in solo and micro gang work instead of monster blobs and gatecamping lowsec gates (though not very well) we wouldn't have taken their home system (or even wanted to). But I told you all that a few weeks ago, so whatever.

Thanks for the fights and the system.



Don't you mean high sec gates? I jump into system and half the time they are camping their own high sec. gates trying to catch nuets instead of pvping with us >.>
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#26 - 2014-07-25 19:23:40 UTC
confirming we are too greedy to hand ships out for free (unless you make it to the top 10 of our killboard in alliance, someone is going to get a nice Orthrus this month).
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#27 - 2014-07-25 19:25:23 UTC
Commander Razama wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Honestly, if most of the Caldari that resided in Okkamon had been interested in solo and micro gang work instead of monster blobs and gatecamping lowsec gates (though not very well) we wouldn't have taken their home system (or even wanted to). But I told you all that a few weeks ago, so whatever.

Thanks for the fights and the system.



Don't you mean high sec gates? I jump into system and half the time they are camping their own high sec. gates trying to catch nuets instead of pvping with us >.>


Nah, they can camp highsec gates all day. I welcome highsec gate camps because it forces people to actually move into low and sort out decent logistics (or join a corp that has).
Arla Sarain
#28 - 2014-07-25 20:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Commander Razama wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Honestly, if most of the Caldari that resided in Okkamon had been interested in solo and micro gang work instead of monster blobs and gatecamping lowsec gates (though not very well) we wouldn't have taken their home system (or even wanted to). But I told you all that a few weeks ago, so whatever.

Thanks for the fights and the system.



Don't you mean high sec gates? I jump into system and half the time they are camping their own high sec. gates trying to catch nuets instead of pvping with us >.>


Nah, they can camp highsec gates all day. I welcome highsec gate camps because it forces people to actually move into low and sort out decent logistics (or join a corp that has).

Calmil has to deal with Jita dwellers - people that never move their hangars from Jita and then go there to reship whenever they lose a ship on a roam or a defense effort.

And people constantly asking if Tama is camped. Sometimes I wonder if it's just troll bait.

All this system capture crusade is going to end with a Burn Jita except it won't be because of Goons.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#29 - 2014-07-25 20:39:03 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
All this system capture crusade is going to end with a Burn Jita except it won't be because of Goons.

Wait for the Jita Raids. The Caldari State must learn that they are not safe everywhere and that the Gallente reach is far. The raid might only be a pinprick. But, it will be a prick directly in the heart of the dragon. Cockbags to Jita....soon(tm).
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#30 - 2014-07-25 20:53:53 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
All this system capture crusade is going to end with a Burn Jita except it won't be because of Goons.

I think they have been reading our internal forums again. Already prototyping high sec camping fleets. We are giving you until the end of this month to evacuate high sec Black Rise.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-07-25 20:54:00 UTC
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
All this system capture crusade is going to end with a Burn Jita except it won't be because of Goons.

Wait for the Jita Raids. The Caldari State must learn that they are not safe everywhere and that the Gallente reach is far. The raid might only be a pinprick. But, it will be a prick directly in the heart of the dragon. Cockbags to Jita....soon(tm).


There's the set-up there for a joke about the place where pricks are really meant to go but I can't quite make it fit ...
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#32 - 2014-07-25 20:56:18 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
confirming we are too greedy to hand ships out for free (unless you make it to the top 10 of our killboard in alliance, someone is going to get a nice Orthrus this month).


Wait...what? You might be seeing an app soon Thanatos.
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#33 - 2014-07-25 21:22:39 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
This has been a clear issue with the last few system defence battles but trying to find a solution for it is very hard.


Then u guys shoulda helped laney and smook with enaluri and you woulda had an au tz a pretty fking good one at that
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#34 - 2014-07-25 22:11:36 UTC
People did Alucard, don't try to bring that down on us. Many groups, my alliance included, assisted in Enaluri. However, many groups didn't want to simply because they actively refused to help with any of our campaigns, IE Oicx or Eha or Innia. In response to the reshipping thing, we have a LOT of ships now, but we were not expecting that kind of attack at the time so our response was delayed. I handed out hundreds of ships, from cheap to expensive, and we did the best we could. As far as AU goes, I adjusted my sleep schedule in order to be online to assist with that, but only on one night did I have enough numbers to deal with what was in Okkamon (kudos for the good fights X Gallentius). I know people hate the excuse, but Summer is here. I have multiple characters in Gallente and I can say for a fact that the time of year has hit Caldari harder than Gallente. Normally Caldari has 250 online during AU timezone and upwards of 500 during EU. That's sitting closer to 100-150 during AU and 200-250 during EU. That's a huge drop in activity. We've lost farmers, Jita spinners and combat pilots alike. When I log in at night and find that Gallente outnumber our active militia online by 50 it doesn't leave much hope for assembling a fleet to deal with what they have.

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Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-25 23:12:27 UTC
Subsparx wrote:
Normally Caldari has 250 online during AU timezone and upwards of 500 during EU. That's sitting closer to 100-150 during AU and 200-250 during EU. That's a huge drop in activity. We've lost farmers, Jita spinners and combat pilots alike. When I log in at night and find that Gallente outnumber our active militia online by 50 it doesn't leave much hope for assembling a fleet to deal with what they have.

I don't get it. There were several times when our guys were HEAVILY outnumbered (as in we had 8 and ya'll had 30-40), and in general there were 50-100% more squids in local than we had in fleet. Granted, local =/= active and engaged pilots, but do you really have that big of a participation problem?

I don't recall seeing more than about 40-45 in fleet at a time, including boosters and such. We got stomped pretty hard when you brought about 70 to counter our 35-40 man armor cruiser gang, for example...

Sampling issue mebbe?

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#36 - 2014-07-25 23:27:44 UTC
Those 50-100% more squids in local were very often afk in station, just watching the action, or not interested in participating. The number of people actively in fleet participating was far lower than the number in system at any given time. For example, when I swung by to try and see what I could do in the AU timezone last night, there were a good 5+ people in system, and I had 5-7 in my fleet. If those 5 in system joined us we would have had a fighting chance at dealing with your 13+. However, those 5 were not around to join. I would have absolutely loved to fight Yuri's fleet last night but I couldn't (ended up doing so anyways and whelping a bunch of stuff against his greater numbers, but it was a gf nonetheless). It's very similar to back when you guys flipped Innia. You would bring 40 to the system to plex it, and there would be 40+ Caldari in system, but in actuality it was a fleet of 20-30 people and 20 24/7 afk station campers.

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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#37 - 2014-07-25 23:37:49 UTC
If that is the case Subsparx, the Caldari don't deserve you. I can think of a few Gal Mil corps that are recruiting though Lol

@Estella: yes, one person in our top 10 will be getting a free Orthrus from me, the rest will be getting comets.
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#38 - 2014-07-25 23:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Subsparx
Haha, I'm Cal Mil through and through Thanatos. The last thing you'll see is me pulling a Khan and flipping to Gallente, either solo or with my alliance. I just hope that this campaign is over because frankly, I much prefer the small gang skirmishes and solo stuff with your guys in the Kurala constellation (and elsewhere) to masses of Derptrons and Derplins and other such nonsense. Give me smashing fleets of 10 AF's against each other any day over a 100 person engagement filled with ships made to be as cheap as possible.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#39 - 2014-07-26 02:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
If that is the case Subsparx, the Caldari don't deserve you. I can think of a few Gal Mil corps that are recruiting though Lol

@Estella: yes, one person in our top 10 will be getting a free Orthrus from me, the rest will be getting comets.


Hopefully the one that flew logi most :p

Though, Orthrus is a horrible cruiser anyway, id rather kill frigs in frigs than be that guy that has to rage because he got blobbed by frigs in his super expensive anti frig cruiser.

Subsparx wrote:
Haha, I'm Cal Mil through and through Thanatos. The last thing you'll see is me pulling a Khan and flipping to Gallente, either solo or with my alliance.


In reality, thank god. As nice as you seem, your forthright and frank nature of full disclosure on the forums is more damaging to the caldari militia than almost anything ive ever seen in my time.

I feel like im souring the dessert by saying this, but it might be the most important revelation your alliance will ever read.

"guys we suck, come and kill us we will basically capitulate, we have x,y,z problems and are weak to... etc"

With that said, lets move forwards with a little more resoluteness on both sides.
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#40 - 2014-07-26 02:45:06 UTC
You act like you don't have any spies in Cal Mil that can see the same numbers I can in militia chat, or that your FC's don't come in to places like Innia and post gif images about us all being docked up. I'm not disclosing anything you guys don't already know, or couldn't already figure out by simple means without needing actual spies or inside intel. It's not like I'm saying we have X pilots that can fly Y at this specific timezone. I'm commenting on the raw numbers in our militia, numbers that are easily visible to anyone that cares enough to check.

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