Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So they have moon mining a passive income control by large alliances but nothing realy for the little corp with 30 members trying to start off. Well they need something not a large income maybe 100m-300m a month this idea is much but it would be a start. It would give people to fight a war dec instead of just oh we got war going on no point in login in.
The objects are already in game so no need to go to the drawing board it would just need a GUI much like Pi

So what is it Mining Colonies they are used by Corporations, Pirate Fraction so why not us?

What it does
Mines passive Minerals, Ice, Alloys
Up to 20,000m per day
Rats that spawn and not killed effect amount of resources gained
High sec, Low sec, Null, Wh, all have minerals based on location
Can hold up to 30,000m before jet-caning out 5,000m into space for any one to pick up

Limitations
Site has to be Probed Down
Static Despanwns after 1-4 weeks of use runs out of resources to prevent same corp form owning it for a long period of time
Only 1 can be held by a corporation so there is no major control
Need to defend it form Rats Wardecs in High sec, other players in low null Sec
Must Hull Ore Minerals away to station or it jetcans in space

Claiming and defending
Calmed by Anchoring a Mining Beacon Get in concord Lp stores for 7,000 lp
4 hours to online
Reinforcement for 7 hours then can be destroyed
Some colonies have gates restricting ships others do not have gates
You can repare the beacon
No guns No shields


Random ideas pulled form reply

Passive income sources are bad for the game.

This isn't completely passive income, only close to it. The colony has to be maintained by removing the ore before it is jetcanned out and it would also have to be defended.

I would look at POS' s and work from that design for these mining colonies. Control unit, mining units, storage units, maybe compression and refining units, too.

However, these encroach on an industry already in-game and performed by individual players in ships. Moon mining and PI can only be done with special equipment, not ships. So, no toes are stepped on.

What's left is planetary ring mining. Say the rings have a special mix of ores and ices that require special equipment and processes that ships can't handle. Put a few million m3 of product in each ring and when it depletes, its a two week respawn time before the ring is useable again.

Put no limits on how many of these colonies can be planted in the rings, other than a distance of 100 to 200km (maybe 1000km?), or in how many a player or corporation can own other than a skill restriction.

I assume these are regarded as manned installations, so it doesnt make sense to allow them to be shot without repercussions like with the mobile structures. Maybe make them restricted to corporate use to allow War Decs to wipe them out in high sec.

I'm happy if the pos moon mining remains, but adding ring mining (T2 goo) would mean that prices will drop making it less profitable for larger alliances while making it easier for active miners to get T2 goo to react and build t2 ships.

Now all they need to do is implement ring mining which was mentioned a while back.

1. Putting Slaves (Item) to use to increase PI yield would be awesome :)
3. Why would you store ores/ice at belt for neuts/reds to come in and blow it up? Ores/ice are generally mined and moved out fairly quickly.

Passive income itself isn't the problem. The problem is the activity to reward ratio. The less active an income generation process is the less productive it should be. There should always be a way to make a resource gather process more productive by increase the activity level (people being more active or more people being active together).

Market income generation is a bit deceptive since often the 'activity' is spread across multiple people each handling their own niche for a chunk of the whole gain.

Solutions in a nutshell:
Make moon mining ship based like the other common resource gathering methods.
Make datacores an LP reward or mission reward for a new class of mission (think Recon, especially part 3) where you investigate weird anomalies in space (potentially fighting off baddies along the way).
Make PI more competitive by making all PI facilities on a planet visible to all and introducing ways to sabotage, steal from, or undermine (literally) other people's facilities.

Agreed, but how about semi-afk or, to call it more positive, semi-active ?

I play very active, but have some afk-brain phases where I still would like to accumulate just enough to be able to sustain my accounts. I would rather do something in my profession like mining related then just run any passive income, just because I have to or feel forced into it. I would drop those instanly if I could semi-active manage a side income supported by my profession.

Of course some will use anything for perceived 'free' ISK, but there are still some out there that do play the game like they want to and choose only what feels right to them. The question is, whom do you support, the ones that get what they want anyway wiht any mechanic and don't care about it or the ones that do care and choose ?

I would love to anchor a beacon around a random grid on a celestial and manage a small asteroid farm for some extra ore, especially more active closer to downtime and other times when everything else is stripped (for australians for instance). Even 'passive' it should be semi-active, but also offer the possibility to go full active for better gains, which of course should still be lower then normal mining in any fashion.

Not sure about any details, but I think you should be able to connect (online) to those farms only when you are logged in... maybe even only in space and uncloaked.

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Besides that: You are wrong.

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And besides a rant (committing more then one fallacy including) and a troll post you don't seem to have anything to say.

I don't really like the idea of mining colonies. PI works because for it to be profitable you have to at least work in losec (i.e.you must fly in grab your stuff and fly out making you vulnerable to hunters). Mining colonies would be an even more passive income in hisec. I would prefer to see the comet mining idea developed further as this would be an active non afk-able piece of gameplay.