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Claudia Osyn

Non-Hostile Target

Wild Geese.

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#41 - 2014-07-25 02:39:21 UTC

Diana Kim wrote:

DeT Resprox wrote:

We come for our people!

Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people.

People in the Empire aren't yours to take.

Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Ashlar Vellum

Esquire Armaments

Likes received: 463

#42 - 2014-07-25 09:32:09 UTC

Jade Blackwind wrote:

You state, that there are civilian Amarr citizens on the surface in Huola? I mean, except the few hundred really stubborn ones who have refused to abandon their family holdings? May I ask WHY?

'cause home is home, you can ask the same question about Caldari Prime and people who live there.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors...

Sometimes it should when rats get loose and bring their filth to flood the house.

Stitcher

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#43 - 2014-07-25 14:07:03 UTC

Jinari Otsito wrote:

They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.

Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers.

Actively aiding the Minmatar doesn't have to be detrimental to the State, you know. Just look at Insorum.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Aeternus Command Academy 1,188
Graelyn Aeternus Command Academy Likes received: 1,188	#44 - 2014-07-25 14:21:52 UTC If having myself and Diana Kim *agree* on the silliness of this doesn't get through to you, then I doubt a round of Void M would do any better. Cardinal Graelyn Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Pieter Tuulinen

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque

Khimi Harar

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#45 - 2014-07-25 14:51:44 UTC

Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors...

Sometimes it should when rats get loose and bring their filth to flood the house.

If I was going to make a list of a thousand things you know absolutely nothing about, near the top would be the State, Me and what it means to be Caldari.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kyllsa Siikanen

Tuonelan Virta

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#46 - 2014-07-25 15:04:27 UTC

Raphael Ordo wrote:

Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:

And Arzad is rightfully Matari territory. I am endlessly tickled how you people see more fault in our response to 7 centuries of hatred and genocide and cruelty than in the acts committed against us during the Long Night.

Arzad is also imperial territory, ever since the previous royal Heir Idonis Ardishapur declared, specifically that Arzad II (your previous Starkmanir Prime), would be protected under Khadrea’s Law, aka Imperial Protectorate.

Your claims to obtain control of this war zone is only bringing about more civilian casualties. It was the Amarr who brought civilization to this dark and perilous world, and it is this eternal Empire that upholds it, with compassion, strength and courage.
We need you to help us save the Minmatar from themselves. We will help the lost ones find their way, Matari, and we will do it with a deathless force to be reckoned with.

I've been seeing some good coordination between our navy fleets and honorable ground forces in the Imperial Guard as of late.
This has resulted in uncountable number of orbital strikes on both Amarr and Minmatar controlled planets.
Again, while this is necessary to reduce the terror the possible civilian population is experiencing under the threats and subjugation of the Republic Command, these worlds are subjects to civilian casualties where evacuation is not possible.

Other intelligence sources has told me that Minmatar ground forces rarely, or never, evacuate cities or vital industrial complexes, even when the deployment of imperial forces and battles are imminent.

This reminds me of an old navy transmission etched into my memory core:

"The initial volleys neutralized sixty-eight separate defense batteries while removing a mere ninety-eight thousand Minmatar from the viable worker stock. Praise unto God."
- Amarr Navy transmission during orbital bombardment of "Eanna", Planet VI, The Hror System

What other effects did the Ardishapur house have on Arzad II, hmm?

Selective amnesia. It must be a PIE thing.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.”

― C.S. Lewis

Jinari Otsito

Otsito Mining and Manufacture

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#47 - 2014-07-25 15:37:59 UTC

Graelyn wrote:

If having myself and Diana Kim agree on the silliness of this doesn't get through to you, then I doubt a round of Void M would do any better.

If you find yourself agreeing with Diana Kim, it indicates you may want to rethink your position more than it indicates any sound argument.

@Stitcher:

You're right, as usual. However, this is a rather violent act of war we're talking about and I can not in good conscience act in aid of a military action against the State, however indirect through our allies. At this point, the furthest I can go without breaking with the principles and values I adhere to would simply be through supplying the markets.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Stitcher

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#48 - 2014-07-25 15:41:17 UTC

Agreed completely. When Re-Awakened was considering joining the TLF, I made it known that their doing so would result in my leaving the corporation for that exact reason.

But yes, supplying the market, making contacts, fostering better relations... all stuff that benefits the Minmatar but also, I think, they benefit the Caldari as well.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Astraeos Khan

LIC Diversified Defense

DammFam

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#49 - 2014-07-25 16:09:05 UTC | Edited by: Astraeos Khan

You Amarians make me chuckle, I will be glad to stick my ikwa in your decaying, beating corpes. The acts that your people has fuled a anger that can not be stoped and not pushed back. All my brothers and sisters will been unlocked by the bondage you have coated them with. The time of safe wishful thinkings are coming to a end. If you would like to save your people come to houla and save them. If not I will be glad to jettison them into space my self. Come warrios of Amarr show us what years of boy loving can do.

"We have struggled through pain and grief; we have faced our torments with unbowed heads; we have lived as men. And in the end, what counts is not the years in our lives, but the unyielding life in our years." - Inscription from a stone in the Remembering

Diana Kim

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#50 - 2014-07-25 16:55:40 UTC

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors...

In fact, my list of "non-traitors" would be like 99.99% of State Citizens.
And maybe 90% of State Capsuleers.
As for writers in IGS... I think I'd better not give an estimate.

Thus... don't worry, Tuulinen-haan, my list of traitors is rather short. And I hope their lives will be as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#51 - 2014-07-25 16:59:54 UTC

Claudia Osyn wrote:

Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have.

Caldari Prime doesn't belong, never belonged and never will belong to gallenteans.
Our ancestors made a mistake, signing damn federation charter, and they payed with their blood to get rid of these shackles.
As for remaining gallenteans on our planets...
All gallentean invaders and occupants WILL DIE.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sebastien Starstrider

Everything You Know and Love is Forfeit

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#52 - 2014-07-25 18:13:12 UTC | Edited by: Sebastien Starstrider

Diana Kim wrote:

Claudia Osyn wrote:

Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have.

Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?

Diana Kim wrote:

DeT Resprox wrote:

We come for our people!

Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people.

People in the Empire aren't yours to take.

But if the Amarrians enslave our people, obviously they are no longer ours to take... I'd say I'm having a hard time following your logic, but I think that might be due to the absence of it. Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. Unless you're an Amarrian zealot, that is.

Pieter Tuulinen

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque

Khimi Harar

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#53 - 2014-07-25 18:47:11 UTC

Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Claudia Osyn

Non-Hostile Target

Wild Geese.

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#54 - 2014-07-25 19:21:44 UTC

Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:

Claudia Osyn wrote:

Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have.

Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?

Diana Kim wrote:

DeT Resprox wrote:

We come for our people!

Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people.

People in the Empire aren't yours to take.

I never expected Kimmy to see (or even acknowledge) the parallel there.... So, par for the course.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Claudia Osyn

Non-Hostile Target

Wild Geese.

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#55 - 2014-07-25 19:25:45 UTC | Edited by: Claudia Osyn

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Sebastien Starstrider wrote:

Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.

Just my personal opinion, but I would call forcing someone out of their home violently and into servitude a form of theft. What?

As for Caldari Prime, I more then support giving it back. Providing we don't compromise our security and safety while doing so.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1,056
Ayallah Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,056	#56 - 2014-07-25 19:51:27 UTC Soren Tyrhanos wrote: God willing we are able to save as many Imperial citizens as possible. I am informed the Classiarii are already at work evacuating those they can planet side. I wish those brave souls luck in their efforts. you are just now evacuating after the system had been controlled for three years? Goddess of the IGS As strength goes.


Ayallah Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,056	#57 - 2014-07-25 19:59:09 UTC \| Edited by: Ayallah 1 Raphael Ordo wrote: ever since the previous royal Heir Idonis Ardishapur declared, specifically that Arzad II (your previous Starkmanir Prime) ...Your claims to obtain control of this war zone is only bringing about more civilian casualties. shut the **** up. Goddess of the IGS As strength goes.

Ayallah

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#58 - 2014-07-25 20:04:54 UTC | Edited by: Ayallah

and holy **** this is a DEFENSIVE fight that by the way, it took all of three posts for the Amarrians to make this look like it was us attacking them rather than the other way around.

god and you people are actually falling for it.

oh, and
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Minmatar_Republic

good job letting Fweddit walk all over you for a week while the system stayed stable. good job letting them shoot up everything in the area they wanted while talking about collateral damage and blaming the defenders for it.

good job amarr
amarr victor!

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Chronoxi

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

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#59 - 2014-07-25 20:06:47 UTC

Ayallah wrote:

You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 139
Philpip T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan Likes received: 139	#60 - 2014-07-25 20:21:16 UTC \| Edited by: Philpip True, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain, but you have everything to lose. No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!