Science & Industry

In preparation for starting to understand industry, I have been reading a lot.
But with all of the changes, I am now completely confused.
I want to participate in all aspects of building things and I would appreciate some advice on how to start from zero and get, someday, to building interesting and profitable stuff.
I am completely aware that it will take a long time until I can be profitable and that is ok.

What I am looking for:
- I don't intend to mine, boring as hell and too time consuming.
- I want to start building stuff, even if it doesn't make me any profit, as soon as possible.
- A skill plan that will get me building and learning, hands-on, quickly.
- A basic plan that wastes as little time on stuff that doesn't matter. I understand that at some point specialization will be necessary but I want to learn the process first.
- I don't want to invent to sell Tech II BOPs, but if I need that skill to be profitable later on, then please let me know when in the process I should be training this.
- Trade isn't important, that will happen on another character.
- Advice on the remote skills, in light of Crius, would be helpful. At first glance they don't seem as important

I know that I am asking a lot but it seems to me that every guide out there is hopelessly out of date.
An example of this is that many reference Cerebral Accelerators and unless I am really clueless, they don't seem to exist anymore.
Production Efficiency seems gone as well.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Doc

Get Mass Production V, Advanced Mass Production IV, Laboratory Operation V and Advanced Laboratory Operation IV.

Then you can manufacture 10 items at the same time as well as research 10 blueprints.

There are other skills that are not that important, you do not really need to train them to V in the beginning, they reduce the time these jobs take, they are

Industry & Advanced Industry
Metallurgy
Science
Research

Then there are skills that allow you to be further away from the solar system you want to run the job in, they are Scientific Networking and Supply Chain Management. A few levels are sufficient. You don't need them at all in the beginning.

Get some simple BPO (Antimatter Charge S or so) from the market (from an order with a >200 days duration to prevent being scammed), double click it and play around in the new industry window.

PS: And make sure not to take anyone who tells you that nullsec manufacturing is the only one that's profitable seriously, since they do not really know what they are talking about.

Wow, you're still spouting this?
Now the changes are out, you realise people can tell you are wrong through first hand experience, right? High sec industry is as profitable and gaining by the day. You just have to be willing to adapt and move with the system.

And funny you mention wormhole space, since it used to be near impossible to run industry in a wormhole, since you couldn't move in compressed minerals without huge losses. Now you can get around the old refine rate on ores, and can bring them in compressed. Wormhole industry is actually a viable option now.

95% of the 'gifts' you talk about cost 10s of billions in station upgrades.

And yeah, with the jump fuel nerf, you NEED to be able to make stuff cheaper in order to get it to market for the same margin. Don't forget that finding sources of minerals is harder, and very small groups of people control the good moon goo.

Nullsec industry did get a nice push with Crius, but it was so far behind high sec indy that at this point it's just a little behind high sec indy.

Thank you so much for the overview, that is really helpful.

Also, to be clear, I am doing this for the fun of the gameplay as you mention.
I have no illusions regarding making piles of isk, certainly not right away.

Of course, if I someday can be profitable, that would be an extra bonus.

Surely if null can manufacture without importing then highsec hub prices will drop as demand wont be as high?

Ah, that sounds good then. Just need to keep an eye on the installing job prices as I run a mass t1 production corp.

Ahh thanks for the heads up. I don't really own many bpos atm as we buy ccopies to give out to members to use. I didn'the realise how long it takes to get to me 10.

With 80 slots being used per day in our hq station alone. The only thing I'm sure about after the patch is that we're not moving.... Can't afford to move everything everytime install costs become to expensive

You know that JBs run on fuel, right? Not exactly "free".
And these days, a covops hauler is still pretty risky to run through from high to null. JFs are still the safest way to run and the only way to run in bulk. You will pretty much never see a normal freighter run like the good old days, with an armed escort fleet.

Good luck on the manufacturing side of things, it can be very satisfying.

On the other hand, don't ever rule out mining some minerals yourself, even a Venture full of Veld will give enough Trit to make some of your own ammo.

By buying everything in it will probably be a long time before you turn a profit, then of course you have to source the cheapest mats, then go get them.

I hope you enjoy it, I do, but what I enjoy more is having to buy as little as possible and being largely self sufficient.

Have fun.

Last thing...

Don't forget Custom Code Expertise...it's a must have if you go into PI as it reduces the tax you pay when you collect from the planet.