Science & Industry

Ive halted production of all T2 ships for the moment till i see where the prices land in a few months, well i may produce a few more falcons for personal use if they get expensive, only thing im still building are BPC's i get from those lovely mordu spawns otherwise.

And nope was never a dedicated industry alt either, so i too welcome these changes ( at the moment ) with open arms

Why are you grinding standings?

From a serious industry side, the only thing they effect is market fees.

You'll be refining at a POS, so no standings needed.

We have been 'enjoying the sun' for several weeks so I haven't been able to assess the situation yet. We had a grand plan that is still in play and the changes may have ****** that plan right up so we may have to reassess the situation.

We are slightly wishing we hadn't renewed our yearly subscriptions in May of this year and that these changes along with other stuff CCP have done may be signalling the death knell for EVE Online. That could be my pessimistic nature taking hold though .
It's not a 'can I have your stuff' moment though as we have other ideas for things to do in New Eden that don't directly involve industry. I still love EVE Online and it is the only computer game I play so stuff happening to it makes me very sad.

I'm not sure what else to say atm.

You just don't see it from a small to med industrialist point do you? The cost just keep piling on. Hidden costs and up front.

If your chasing this maniacal system cost index and the teams, to remain competitive, you still have to grind standings with the faction to put up a POS. Otherwise, your stuck to your faction regions, or your hauling it all across New Eden. (Hello GANK!) Not to mention the cost of running a large POS these days. 300-400 million isk for fuel per month. Even if your mining, doing PI, producing all your own fuel, there is real cost to it. Assuming there is a moon where you can anchor in this said advantageous system. OH and you have costs for running a job in the POS your already paying to fuel. This even used to be a modest income for a corp to charge some install and running fees to offset fuel costs. A corp can't charge additional fees on top of what is being imposed now. That would take the advantage away from corp members.

Now were looking at this from the standpoint that the industrialist is reprocessing ore, to maximize profit margins. How is this beneficial to dropping the barrier to entry for new pilots, or experienced, entering the profession?

You can take each individual point of the changes and put it in some kind of good light. Put it all together though... You have a system that is not friendly to the new industrialist, small/med industrialist, let alone those that spent great amounts of time researching BP's and doing capitol construction.

Shine a rosy colored lantern on it if you want, but they screwed this up.

Let's take all the changes, and put the good and the bad next to them eh? I think the picture will be very clear. The only one that benefits from this is CCP with removing isk from the game. That part of the patch seems to work perfectly.

Foot in mouth. HOW DID I MISS THAT ONE!


A major pain in the arse removed. That said, it's still a pain in the arse chasing system cost index, and teams.

I had a specific niche in the market that was literally ripped out of the game. I was creating high quality BPOs, like 250/250 for shorter ones and 100/100 for anything else. People paid big money for these, so they could jump into the manufacturing business right away instead of starting with a 0/0 BPO. They would sell for 75m+ each. And don't even try to tell me that anything above 10ME or 20PE is a waste, or I will call you an ignoramus. Besides, I wasn't even the ones using them, the 250/250 just made them stand out in the market as high-quality. Someone else put it nicely - a signature. A signature of high quality product that has just been ripped out of the game.




Now my POS is offline, my office is closed, my 10 research labs have been sold, fuel sold, 4B worth of BPOs sold. Alt accounts cancelled. Training queues set to random stuff until i figure out what to do next. Next i'll probably unanchor and sell the rest of my structures.

You can still do that... People will still want to pay to skip the time it takes to produce those blueprints. You can also chase the smaller fee locations to build a better margin than your competitors.

And in many cases, ME10 was a waste. Do you understand the math of how long it takes to turn the additional ME into profit, or did you just run blueprints up? For example, would you have run fuel block BPOs up to 100/100?

Bye then.

So rework your strategy and approach. You are basically upset because you can't make terrible blueprints look amazing to the uninformed. (careface)

OK, so they capped at ME 40, so it was quite literally a waste of time. They gained 0% for 60 levels of research. You could just have easily sold them at 40 explaining that they were the best they can possible be.

[/quote] How is it unfriendly to the new industrialists? They can actually use queues now when previously they had no chance of doing ME research without a POS. They also have the advantage of moving around to chase the lower fees, thus boosting their margins. I don't disagree that the larger scale industrialist has to do more work for smaller margins, but that's the idea, to break the current status quo where a new pilot stands no chance of competing realistically. [/quote]


Wow you must have forgotten what its like to be new. The new player now has 0% chance of getting into the industry field with any expectations on success. They now have to either buy a POS (lets be honest, the cost of running a POS is way outside of the range of new players, most players get into industry so they can make enough isk to run a POS) or they now have to use station slots that are WAY over priced (have you looked at the quotes people have been given? 440mil+ to set up a ME job...new players are never going to pay that) so now the only players that can do industry are the ones already in possession of good BPOs.

Your feeble attempt to place this broken in a positive light Edsel that is called Crius is both disingenuous and misleading. There is NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever in having to move around to "chase lower fees" its a waste of time and effort as well as an extremely poorly thought out mechanic. The UI is possibly the worst in any game that I have ever played, IM sure they will fix it, but whoever green lit this should be fired, they have failed the community, CCP, and themselves, they should be ashamed! The teams idea, Wow! What drunken fool decided to put this into the game? must have been the idiot who designed the UI...

Overall this expansion will do ALOT more damage to the game than anything else. The prices of ships is going to go up costing the PvPers more and more isk. There will be, and already has started to happen, less and less miners out in high sec fueling everyone else's PvP fun (where do you think you get those ships and mods that you use?) which in turn will decrease the amount of PvP in high sec. The increased cost of ships and mods will eventually spread into Pve, FW and Nul sec, (you think things in nul sec are stagnant now wait until the prices of your Ishtar triples)

You cant destroy the foundation of the house and call it adding on a room, CCP you have failed the community and unfortunately it doesn't look like you care, you keep loosing subscriptions, the average concurrent users is WAY down, you keep loosing players and moves like this do not help bring faith back to the community that things are going to get better, both new and old players should be concerned about terrible moves like this that are perfect examples the short sided thought process that is killing our game.

Would have been nice if they still required standings for 0.7 POS setups so the standings people spent years grinding were still worth a little something. Destroying a goal that takes massive time without even a crumb left over seemed a step to far.

They could have gotten away with just treating 0.5 like low sec since it has the yellow instead of green for the sec color and would have pushed the wars they were after harder without ruining the solo guys chances if they grinded up.

The ME changes were good but they took that too far. Needs a small scale back.

I like most of the other changes.

UI was a nice face lift on an old game.

Over all was a 6 out of 10. Needs another round of adjustment.