Crime & Punishment

And what does this logically lead us to conclude? That's right kids, it's not about how much damage you do. It's about the nature of the attack and the most pertinent options that leaves. An awox is easiest to avoid by not being in a corp that can be awoxed. A theft can be avoided by not putting all of your assets into a single place. A spy can be avoided through restricting permission and flow of information.

And again, you can say "a better solution is to not recruit just any jack ass who applies" until you are blue in the face, but that still won;t make everyone do it. So when you join a corp you run the risk of your recruiters either not vetting properly, or the awoxer being clean enough to pass scrutiny, at which point you lose your ****. If you can convince people to engage in more group play another way, by all means proceed, but I don;t think telling them "do your research" is going to have any effect.

Or 3. Play solo for all eternity, because it's safer to simply not join the crowd. Go ahead and take a look around mate, it's a popular choice.

I don't disagree with that at all. I learned pretty early on that explosions were to be had and you had to just look past them, but not everyone will, especially when they are made to feel helpless. The thing is when you talk about how to stop awoxing, you talk about it from a CEO point of view. But the people that get annoyed and move to the NPC corps aren't CEOs, they are line members who have no say in who is or isn't recruited.

Accepted and apologies.

Longer story short, its called awoxing, alot of people do it, i've done it on an alt as well

If your in a corp you can shoot someone legally, fleet or no fleet, no matter what day it is or how long youve been in the corp.
Too bad you lost your pally, but it happens all the time, knowing is half the battle so the more you know the better you can protect yourself

its up to you to protect that paladin not CCP or other corp mates ( which of course didnt happen )

And you still are completely clueless of why people don't want to fight.

You should stop trying to change something when you have no clue
what needs to be changed.

And if someone can't smell an awoxxer and can't secure himself of getting killed
by a corpmember... well... then he's as clueless about people as you.

And the mechanics dont push people into solo play.
People play solo because they "want" to.

If these mechanics made people play solo,
then more people would know about awoxxers,
which obviously isnt the case.

Causality... not your friend, it seems.

I love the way you give this advice when your last corp (JSR1) had around 200 members at the time you posted it and your current corp has 183 members. Why aren't you in an NPC corp if you think it's such a good idea?

Caught in a landslide

No escape from reality

I don't know what you mean by "high-sec AWOXing". People are free to shoot each other in lowsec or null. Maybe you mean sec status implications or being able to shoot a corpie in low without sentry guns, I don't know.

You do understand that shooting a corpie is only one way to Awox? You can destroy and seed chaos in plenty of ways in a corp and you don't seem to address any of those in your post.

As long as Awoxing is a reality, it forces corpies to establish a strong trust relationship. It's like any relationship really.. being close to another person puts them in the position to hurt you. Your coworkers in your RL job are in that position. The guys you are skydiving with are in that position. Trust relationships lend themselves to deeper connections.

Awoxing is a social tool. It ensures that relationships built for a corp aren't automatically stagnant.

How is it that you believe a social game also shouldn't contribute to building trust in a relationship? Please explain.

lol, people don't want to join other people because the benefits of being in a corp are outweighed by the fact that 9 times out of 10 there's some asshat around that wants nothing more than to ruin your day. And people do know about awoxers, hence the incredible lack of actual corps in high sec. Just because there are still idiots that don't know about them doesn't mean the vast majority are unaware. That's like saying the existence of scamming means that nobody knows about scamming.

Awoxing also has no value add component. It's a pointless feature left in from a time when it was a useful feature. Now it's only use is to allow people to split up newbie corps with minimal effort.

And I'll say what I said before. You like awoxing, fine, I couldn't care less since it doesn't affect me in null. But when you next want to site around bitching about carebears, keep it shut, because it's people like you pushing people to be risk averse. At some point you wannabe pirates need to wake up and realise that if you want to keep every single advantage you have other newbies, the population of this game is only going to go one way.

Jumping into a corp, watching what they do, learning their fits and then executing an awox well is far from effortless theres a lot of time and prep that goes into pulling that off without a hitch, ganking miners through awoxes is effortless. Its a valid game mechanic, and as such should be treated as one

This has nothing to do with new players, and everything with whether you think ship losses should happen in highsec or not.

I look forward to reading your ideas. I fully agree that the corp system needs to be redone.