Science & Industry

Senseless doomsaying. While I myself have moved my manufacturing to null it is because I have chosen a different product line. Since I have been out at the edge of the universe I have been tinkering with various product lines other than the bread and butter one that brought me out here and I am finding that production in null will still be quite difficult. Moon goo is hard to find and T2 ships generally take too much volume for cheap shipping options. Markets in null are hard to find and volumes are generally too low to make large volume manufacturing with lower margins cost effective. Nullsec prices are generally designed with the idea that products will be shipped in from Jita. Oh and don't forget all those null sec industrialists that have to include system rental into their margin calculations.

Against all of this high sec manufacturing continues as it is with a worst case scenario of a 1-5% increase in build cost, which can be mitigated by POS use, proper use of the NPC industry teams, and picking good locations. So basically, high sec is as safe and secure as ever and even a total idiot can still make money, just a few percent less on the margins, and a smart industrialist can actually increase his margins above current by using the new variables that will be in play.

In other words, the only thing that the Eve player base is any good at is letting paranoia, hostility, and myopia dominate the economic landscape of null sec. The industry changes will make high sec cooler and for the smart players, better. They will fail to make null sec really viable for anything except for what it is currently viable for: capital ship production and resource collection (mining, salvaging, and exploration).

Basically, things will get cooler with more variety, challenges, and opportunities for smart players to do better, but overall the landscape will not change much. Sadly, since most Eve players are stupid, they will, as you say, quit Eve, or at least stop doing industry. But for me, I really only need the PvPers to stick around so I can sell them ships.

In this thread: veteran player with researched titan bpo's turns to EVE-O forums for business and game mechanic research less than 24 hrs before an expansion that has been dissected ad nauseam over the past 3 months in dev blogs, features/ideas threads, SiSi feedback threads, and several hundred player blogs, threads, and whines.

OK well for one, I am indeed moving to null. However, the reasons for this will surprise you. Code and alliances like them are becoming quite active and I do not like the idea of not being able to autopilot, but having to sit at my keyboard and watch session changes all day. Therefore I wanted to switch from a jump gate transport system to a cyno transport system. Yes, I kid you not, I moved to null because it's safer. Now in moving to null I have also decided to switch to a product line that null sec has always been ideal for: cap production. So I found a rental system at the edge of new eden and am setting up shop. Now I used to be hugely involved in T2 production in high sec but given that moving a hauler from where I live to market costs 200 million per round trip any advantages that being in deep null provide, like reduced install costs on jobs, is completely eaten by transportation costs. Yes, I hope one day to get full null sec bonuses but would have to invest tens of billions into station upgrades and stations are about to become destructible. So please don't treat me as someone who has just moved out to null sec to be OP and have unbelievable advantages. The Crius changes do a bit of shifting toward null, but they by no means move things off the chain.

Now frankly, from my perspective, you are saying you want to preserve your ability to pay to win. While you may have worked for years, some wealth noob can currently drop a few score PLEX into the game and buy some Titan BPOs and make, what were you saying, 5-10 billion per sale, for ever after with absolutely no risk. Sorry, that sounds like an exploit to me. I really don't feel for you. Now unlike the T2 BPO owners who are going to see a massive decrease in the value of their assets in the coming year, your Titan BPOs should hold value and you'll be able to sell them and find another way to make ISK, or you can keep them and keep your free money, but just not with uber profits and no risk.

Sorry, man, I don't feel for you. The Crius changes make industry more of a game unto itself, that can be won by being smart. Sorry if you don't like that. I do.

Well, the idea is to keep this a game. I've just realized : by changing the rules every now and then, CCP is making sure you cannot get a steady passive income and you have to PAY to have fun. Pay real money by buying PLEXes. Otherwise you just have to continue working for your PLEX isk and it is not fun anymore.

The comment after yours is obviously coming from someone who does not have the necessary level of intelligence to make an argument and deserves no answer.

i make a pretty steady passive income, i just have to use my noggin fairly constantly instead of just setting up a thing once and expecting infinite money without effort or thought

As expected... no answer from CCP.

Well CCP you managed to **** off pretty much every industrialist or researcher with this patch. Nicely done. As a goon would say, keep up the good work !

BPOs are in stasis, maybe i will rejoin the game when you come back to your senses and realize what kind of player base is more important to keep.

Will not read the thread anymore. It;s not like you bother to answer. Would be too late anyways.

Bye for now.

If anyone is going to leave, and may or may not return, I'll happily keep your BPO safe until your return.

I'm not kidding. You can just ask for them back, and I will return them. Seriously.

Others have trusted me with many billions and I've not let them down. I'm trustworthy, and I don't need to scam to get BPO.

I just hate to see BPO abandoned or trashed!

Feel free to contract BPO to Tau Cabalander.

as delightful as scamming is (and thank you for the compliment!) it's very much an active income source

you have to keep casting that hook into the sea and telling pubbies it's a worm