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For the Children.

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Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2014-07-24 16:44:07 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.


Indeed, there's no need to.

The answer's always the same as the old joke:

Where did the Furrier go after it crossed the road?

"The other side"
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#22 - 2014-07-24 17:10:13 UTC
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.


Indeed, there's no need to.

The answer's always the same as the old joke:

Where did the Furrier go after it crossed the road?

"The other side"

In the case of the "Forever War" or "Pendulum War" or whatever people are calling it these days, there actually is a single answer as to who started it.

One only needs to look towards Yulai to see it..

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2014-07-24 17:10:58 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.


In my defence, Makoto, he started it.

Geddit?

He started it?

I'll get my jacket.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-07-24 17:54:16 UTC
Had you gotten your people out yet? No? You're dafter than I thought.
Or
You're just another upstart gallentean drama maker. Not caring for the lives you sworn to care for, but provoking others and asking for an attack so you can point fingers and yell. A pretty good example of how pathetic the vile federation's propaganda network is though.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2014-07-24 17:57:13 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


In my defence, Makoto, he started it.

Geddit?

He started it?

I'll get my jacket.


Tuulinen, your instincts are good! Now go stand out in the cold while I get this awful taste out of my mouth...

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-07-24 18:17:54 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


In my defence, Makoto, he started it.

Geddit?

He started it?

I'll get my jacket.


Tuulinen, your instincts are good! Now go stand out in the cold while I get this awful taste out of my mouth...


I wish that were the first time I'd heard that...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2014-07-24 18:47:35 UTC
Oh, Maker, did I open myself up for that...

(and stop, now. no more.)

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-24 20:12:11 UTC
Federals steal resources from Intaki.
IPI steal resources from Federals.
Federals whine that IPI are thieves.

This is a typical example of gallentean hypocrisy.
We need to end this war sooner, so no gallentean thief would be able to exploit others, giving them nothing, but degrading and useless "democracy".

You can't feed children with ideas and empty words.

Intaki! If you wish to do real business, do it with the State instead. We pay back with real money, products and services.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-07-24 20:22:42 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker, did I open myself up for that...

(and stop, now. no more.)


You're making it worse!

(And I will stop. For the shreds of dignity remaining to us.)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#30 - 2014-07-24 20:43:39 UTC
Aww, no stamina. I expected better from you Tuulinen.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2014-07-24 21:08:33 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Aww, no stamina. I expected better from you Tuulinen.


Now, now, Jinari. No means no.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#32 - 2014-07-24 21:18:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Federals steal resources from Intaki.
IPI steal resources from Federals.
Federals whine that IPI are thieves.

This is a typical example of gallentean hypocrisy.
We need to end this war sooner, so no gallentean thief would be able to exploit others, giving them nothing, but degrading and useless "democracy".

You can't feed children with ideas and empty words.

Intaki! If you wish to do real business, do it with the State instead. We pay back with real money, products and services.


The Intaki are Federals...
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#33 - 2014-07-24 21:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
For the Children, indeed.

And what lengths are people prepared to go to, to protect those that matter to them?

The people of Intaki matter to me.

It's why when Mr Thiesant and his Institute recently added their voices to others in Placid, calling for the Senate to reinstate the right to vote, I saw potential there, despite the difference in our politics.

The Intaki Prosperity Initiative understands that there is validity to a range of political views, and we have never shied away from building bridges and forging partnerships across ideological divides. It is this approach that explains the success behand the long-standing relationship with I-RED. Unfortunately there had been no contact between ISODE and the IPI.

However, while ideology may drive us, we are pragmatic in our methods.

Our founder, Saxon Hawke, had a reputation for seeking the peaceful solution and eschewed violence and yet the ILF has always included combat pilots. This is because we understand that to protect those that matter - the metaphorical children Mr Thiesant refers to - we must sometimes do things that others will not.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
It was too much to expect them to follow their own values I guess.

Ah, but we do. But perhaps you don't quite understand us as well as you think.

ISODE has clearly done its research, but the conclusions are incomplete. They acknowledge that the IPI has been calling for market development in Placid for years, but fails to acknowledge, or wilfully ignores, other important policies at the very core of what we try to achieve.

Policies such as our strict opposition to the manufacturing and trading of narcotics.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
It's more the moral inconsistency that I'm calling out.

You may soon come to appreciate the irony of this statement, as I did.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
If siphons are involved, a starbase is involved.

Indeed there is.

And it was with great interest that we discovered the ISODE installation should include chemical processing facilities, and an active drug lab.

Mr Thiesant, my conscience is clear. There is no moral inconsistency in interfering with an installation that seeks to increase the supply of narcotics in Intaki.

The moral high ground from which ISODE seeks to present itself as the innocent victim here, is little more than a false platform.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
...an example of why we're hard at work building a better Intaki for the Federation citizens living there.

Quite.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#34 - 2014-07-24 21:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurentis Thiesant
Every single product being produced at Union Station is strictly for capsuleer consumption and is 100% lawful even in high security space under CONCORD regulations.

I've made statements on this matter before. I'd also note that Intaki Separatists have been readily acquiring such products from me. This is a good thing for them and their crews. It means their people will be more likely to survive combat and live to see another day, it means that those they protect have a better chance of being protected.

To throw that away over an over the top generalized political stance is endangering lives and regional security. I stand by the science, and I stand by the right of every pilot to give their crew the best chance of survival. I hope you would as well.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2014-07-24 22:55:58 UTC
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.


Indeed, there's no need to.

The answer's always the same as the old joke:

Where did the Furrier go after it crossed the road?

"The other side"

It was me. I started it. For my own amusement.


It's fun to watch people fight while grasping at straws, trying to justify a pointless conflict.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#36 - 2014-07-24 23:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Ah! So you're just manufacturing the synthetics, then, if these goods are legal in secure space?

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-25 17:13:39 UTC
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Federals steal resources from Intaki.
IPI steal resources from Federals.
Federals whine that IPI are thieves.

This is a typical example of gallentean hypocrisy.
We need to end this war sooner, so no gallentean thief would be able to exploit others, giving them nothing, but degrading and useless "democracy".

You can't feed children with ideas and empty words.

Intaki! If you wish to do real business, do it with the State instead. We pay back with real money, products and services.


The Intaki are Federals...

Tell it to Mordu.
Tell it to IPI.
Tell it to Syndicate.
Can you?... then maybe don't say it at all.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-07-25 18:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
- its goal is much more important, and we'd hope that that is not interfered with as well.

... equal and competing claims. Am I expected to negotiate with all of them?


now I only read the first few posts so I did not get to the part about who is the bad guy in this whole whatever but it seems to me like you need someone to shoot siphons off your pos. I live and hunt around intaki all the time, for a fee I could take a look. I would need blue standings of course.

and if you need it protected then I am authorized to offer contract with SniggWaffe for more overt mercenary work.

galmil is who controls the moons around here so I hope your money moon is not worth much. or, peace moon. whatever it is.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-07-25 18:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
I read further

whoever wants this pos dead mail me about it and SniggWaffe would be happy to blow it up for you. or protect it, whoever pays more.

edit: we can evac civilians quite easily before we demolish the pos. or, we will not get in the way of the normal day to day operation of the starbase should protection be required.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#40 - 2014-07-25 19:09:35 UTC
Having conferred with our associates of the Intaki Prosperity Initiative, we currently have no interest in removing Mr. Thiesant's starbase. I would, however, like Mr. Thiesant to verify that he is indeed producing synthetic boosters instead of the contraband varieties.

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