Science & Industry

The Skills in question are all 5 bar the respective Ore Specifics skills. (and Faction Station Standings to the required amount) Even with those skills to 5 the gap from what is mined and what is left is still too big. The nerf to Scrapmetal Processing was needed and accepted as being too good for what it did but Regular Ore and Ice would have been fine with a 15% wastage factor.

As it stands the will to mine for personal production has gone out of these players sails as they will have to mine significantly more to maintain the same averages. Not everyone has the ways and means to maintain a POS or have access to a Outpost to get those related bonuses.

The measure of this is they had a Large batch of Ore pre patch that was the right amount to build something large and for what ever reason it didn't get refined and now Post patch the numbers do not have enough minerals in that batch to cover what was needed.

You're thinking about it wrong. It's not a "9% increase to the numbers" but a "9% increase in your overall yield". A jump from 50 to 59% refining in the display (which I think you're expecting to see?) is actually an 18% increase in yield.


Veldspar = 415 / refine (Base stats)
50% station, no tax, no skills => 415 * 0.5 = 207.5 (FLOOR to 207)
50% station, no tax, +9% Skills => 415 * 0.545 = 226.175 (FLOOR to 226)

That extra 19 trit per refine is an increase of 9.1% over "base".

You're going to see a lot more stuff on market selling below material costs, since industry now requires no skill investment, and you even get little cute tooltips regarding the value. Before there was a hard lower limit on the market where items were bought up when they reached mineral value, but that is gone now (a mini profession)

I read somewhere in patch notes that refining would be a new profession, but nah. Gone is the specialized indy character, no more reasons to grind standings, no more use for spreadsheets and other stuff that made this aspect of the game challenging.

I see the same tools in almost all threads regarding this telling people to cry more tears, escrow their stuff and claim huehuehue-huge margins - Well, industry got dumbed down so much even they can figure it out now. An entire specialized career in eve removed. When all this slowly trickle down on the market and the whining ensues, we, the industrialists wont enjoy harvesting tears because we just shrugged and left.

But yeah, monetize more on the playstation generation, CCP

No, paying for your own facilities will not save you the system's price hike. In fact it's much more economical to do as someone already said, move every couple of weeks to a system will a low indy index, NPC station to save you the effort of your own POS.

Good thing they made it easy for new players, it's all they'll have left.

I'm trying to encourage CCP to provide industrialists with the tools they need through the medium of sarcasm.

Hello fellow travellers Been playing eve now since 2004, love the game, member for a PVE/Industrial corp for the most part, 10 years in the game, and you think you've seen it all. Back in the day they nerfed Missiles, ah I remember when the Raven was so awesome, and then they nerfed NOS and Neuts, but again we as a people united and figured out new ways to counter both of these nerfs, and all other nerfs to hit new Eden, in the last 10 + years, but finally they nerfed Mining/Research/building/development, way to go guys, I want to put a different word in here if you know what I mean... I mean I should have seen this coming, what with CCP nerfing missions like Enemies Abound, and other such good mining worth missions, or when it became so easy to overpower a HULK, and then we all thought they'd fixed that but I still see Exhumers popping on a daily basis... I know that all these things were done because you wanted the average player to experience more things with the EVE universe, so Scanning, which had been subbed for such a long time became the forefront of the EVE game and its made the game for most more fun and exciting, all the while this was all going along, your Industrialist out there were running missions to pay for the harder minerals you needed to build Capital through Interceptor ships for the masses, because regardless how you look at the game, the common denominator is this is a Market and building backend game.
And now you've nerfed that part... I can accept certain things, you want people out of the security of the station, and using POSs and other self-made structures, but making users put all of their eggs in the unstable basket puts the entire system in jeopardy..
Different if you've done the foolish thing of flying all your ships and stuff to NULL to find that what was promised to you wasn’t there and you have to start over, that’s one thing, but now it feels like you want us to do the same in hi sec or where ever, and because you had no internet for a week come back to find your POS in ruins and everything that you’ve been working towards for the last XXX + years gone... and for what? I can even accept all of this, it’s the game dynamic, but why would you nerf reprocess/refine, what’s this 50% BS, or in my case, max skills and i have 10.00 standings with the station that i am in and i get 55%, it used to be you got 50% with the basic refine skills and then, with working standings with the faction you were with this increased your reprocess/refine up to 99.5 or 100% depending if the station you were working with was base 25 or 50%. I get that some things might look good on paper for the average CCP / Capsular, and that certain parts of the market have been out of whack for a while now, but by pissing off the industrialist, who in my mind is the backbone and driving force of this game, and nerfing things that we industrialists have been striving towards, doesn’t make any sense… unless the plan is that NPC stations are going to produce ships again, and not players, but I thought the driving force behind this game was the eventuality of players being able to build everything in the game no matter where it is…
For example, the average player regardless if it’s a mission runner or player attacker, wants his ship and modules for the lowest price he can get them for, this new infrastructure adds so many hidden costs to the builder and provider of these ships, that the cost to the beginner or veteran player is going to prevent the risk takers to take those risks… If the cost of the average Lv4 storyline mission runner, flying a Tengu T2 fitted was getting it for 3 to 400mill and now has to spend 5 to 600 mill to run a T1 fitted boat, and not getting all the stuff he needs its like not just hindering the system that we have all grown accustomed to and love but in my mind its killing it…
Unless there are some new skills that you are going to release that will fix these crazy costs for research and development or, manufacturing and refining, but then, what was the point of players grinding missions to get Efficient standings with the likes of Amarr Navy, was it only to get LP, LP from Amarr corps alas is pretty lame, so what then was the point of players building up standings with faction corps if not to drop the charges for running jobs, renting and reprocessing/refining? Alas what is the point, I’m at a loss… And in my mind, knowing that I can provide ships from the highly researched BPOs I have, but knowing I cant provide them to people as the cost associated has been overscaled so much, then what is the point, what would you have us do, all go into the fray, a mass war, PVPiers destroy everything and even themselves and not be able to afford replacement ships…?
I know it’s a bit of a rant but maybe someone here and can help me see the point… Ive not really touched base of the research and Dev part of things, but I ask you what was wrong with the previous way that indy was?