Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As if empire LP could get more worthless. I'm ok with L5 in highSec if CCP remove LP reward for HighSec L5

So spread the missions across random systems to lessen the load by using the least used systems for these type of missions.


I'm not advocating that all missions should be this way (though they should all be randomized in my opinion). Rather that every now and then one of the tough AI should pop up much like the shadow serpentis etc etc. If you don't want newer player to encounter them then have them only turn up in level III missions upwards though I would question why new players shouldn't encounter more PvP like rats earlier. Just scale that rat ship capabilities accordingly to provide a challenge that is surmountable with lower skills.



My numbers are based on the often quoted '40% stay to level their raven'. So if 50% leave after 1 month and 40% level their raven (implying to me that they are running missions whilst training up to fly raven in level IV's' that leaves 10% engaging in other activities. That gives an 80/20 split between mission runners and those who do other things. Even if that assumption is skewed there are a large number of players who play the game to run the missions and enjoy doing so. I disagree with the idea that they should somehow be coerced into moving to lo/null. The rewards are already far greater for missioning/ratting in null yet these players choose not to do so.

They are still paying to play the game one way or another and as long as they accept that in doing so they are positioning themselves as targets and a blingy ship will be ganked at some point then that's fine by me. Being a sandbox means players do what they like and others can interfere how they choose. Because they choose to run in hisec doesn't mean that there playstyle should be completely ignored and any changes to improve hisec missioning would naturally benefit losec and null just the same.

Unless of course the nullbear ratters would panic at the thought of non-predictable sites

You seem to be confusing steady income with crazy profit margin. I thought about lowsec, I live in lowsec 90% of the time. I don't mission in lowsec because it's stupid. I run exploration sites in lowsec because I can make like easy 300 mil a day and not sweat to death that I'm going to get ganked. Last 2 days I have been running level 4's and made a comfortable 250 million in those two days from *smart choices* about what I do and how I do it, supplemented by salvage and loot. I am however a pilot with 55 million sp in combat skills and my proficiency at running missions is probably as good as I care to make it.

I don't even flood the market, I sell my produce smart. Stocking remote hubs with reasonably priced ammo is a surprisingly effective way to make some coin. Large and medium armour reppers to combat hubs. Large shield reppers to POS farms near null. In my own experience as a new player I consumed most of the ammo I made while waiting for better things to train so I doubt that your assertion is as genuine as you suggest.

and the 4 hour cooldown can be bypassed? Interesting.

The relative value of LP was never what was important. That's a profiteering "I play only to make money" kind of mindset. FW was about giving low SP players an avenue to make money while enjoying some pvp. Unfortunately as we saw with cloaked WCS bots it was just straight up too easy.

Me not running level 4's in low is because I'm smart enough not to whelp a ship in low that could be doing the same activity in high with less risk. That's just business. You'd have to be pants on head stupid to put yourself in danger like that for level 4s in low. It's exactly the same question as running anoms in enemy nullsec. Why would you? Literally what could compel you to do that? The joy of ratting in someone elses space?

There's an assload of claims here that people in low run level 5's yet I haven't seen an actual post from someone who actually does. I know someone who does and they use a very specific fit for the job. Taking like values here: should I consider the lack of posts from these super profitable L5 runners to be evidence of my truth just as you make unsubstantiated claims that it does happen without anyone backing you up?

I said before that the majority of the reward should be in LP. To burn ISK. Since L5's tank standings they can be modified to produce tags for navy gear which might even solve the bottleneck I identified nearly a year ago in this thread here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346.

And then when that is done CCP can introduce Kill Missions that are very hard 1v1 or 1v2 scenarios for players to fight against NPCs that have player like levels of tank and damage for reward.

So you admit to having a vested interest in keeping them isolated and restricted? Could you discredit your argument any further?

I have never heard of people fighting over level 5 systems. Gonna need some citation there. You also totally ignored addressing this part here

You have something to say about that or not?



The assertion that more people eating LP will harm you in any meaningful way. You just don't want more competition. Newsflash, the EVE economy has matured to such a point where even big events like B-R5RB are just drops in the ocean in terms of market effects. The dev blog confirmed as much, within like 48hrs all mineral value was restored. The economy really wouldn't feel anything from some people doing L5s in high especially if they got redirected to low for most of them. As for your technique to avoid missions that sounds like an exploit. Or just a clever use of alts.

Welp forum just chewed a long repsonse, and I'm too lazy to rewite it, especially seeing this idea is obviously a non starter.

Short lazy responses...

1. Citation see Hysera or the one next door to ostingele that Ninja Unicorns used to use a lot.

2. No, pretty meaningless paragraph, LP value is obviously important. The only thing I agree with is that L4's in low sec should be better rewarded. If the potential gains of taking someone elses activity were worth the risk, I would do it. You just don't want to have to compete for resources or take any risks, so you dont deserve the good rewards.

3. Yes, I have api pulled databases showing the value of lp at any given time. This falls significantly when the faction my agent is associated with is doing well.

What you're asking for is the same as wanting moon goo from high sec posses. A piece of the pie without earning it.

i also dispute this.
they were never meant to be in high in the first place.

No one here really needs an argument anymore, the thread ended when I linked that dev post.

Not really expecting a straight answer for this question, but what the hell. Have we not seen this stupid request enough (again, considering this is the Eve forums, I'm not sure if I should expect a straight answer)?

No. End of the f'ing argument. L1-4 is enough for High-Sec.

L4s should be moved to lowsec.