Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm fairly certain he's talking about more than just sitting in null sec space in his ship or renting.
No new entities can obtain sov in the current climate.


I've put plenty of thought into it. But i keep coming to the same conclusion.

Any mechanics we can think of to limit Jump Power Projection are just arguing semantics. I was in the camp of limiting jump range at one point in time. But after reading Manny's post on the subject it became clear.

The only way to really fix Null sec is to remove teleportation entirely.
Jump drive/bridge
Clone Jump
Pod Express
And then WHs will need a jump count limit too otherwise we'll just have null sec wh mappers.

I want to own a piece of space. Not rent it.
But nobody can do that anymore.

So you are proving his point that you cannot have space in Sov 00 without renting it?

:facepalm:
That is me who gets money. I dont pay the rent, I take it.
Oh, and I'm not a goon or n3.


Blobbing against a smaller entity? ;-)

When I first started I was in a small corp and a few of us wanted to move to nul, but we were told it was all controlled by massive alliances and we would have to pay them rent just to be allowed to live in a system, that's reason enough, then the price we were quoted was some billions a month and billions more for upgrades... then billions for a pos and billions for getting stuff out there and at the end of it all we weren't even sure if we did get there we wouldn't have someone else start demanding rent, or just get blobbed by some big corp and lose everything in a day. Considering most of my isk comes from buying plex and selling them on the market, the whole adventure would cost me real money, not space money and its just not worth paying real money to be a space slave.

There is no option to go out there and build something from scratch, you have to buy your way in and high seccers don't have that kind of ISK to risk and they definitely don't want to be dealing with the kind of arrogant scum I had to speak with. We'd like to go out there, set up in an empty system and build something for ourselves, not be serfs for other players who think they're more important than everyone else. The sickening thing is CCP panders to people like you, but it's people like me that pay to keep the servers on.

Sorry but nullsec is not about stations.
You can use poses.

In most of the cases you are right.
There are big blocks that have almost unlimited isk / month and extreme assets.
Because of this they are capable to have vast renting space.
Overall - i have nothing against this.
They put a lot of work to get to this point.

So why so many people is angry , why so many people leaves this game, and number of players is dropping?
There is no alternative for other players as eve universe is big if you fly in battleship, but very small if you do the same in carrier, or super.
Because of this we have this kind of situations :
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24524472
9 motherships , and 4 carriers on a armor tanked raven kill in some remote lowsec.
Players from those big blocks are bored, and even as they have vast amount of space under their alliance ticker - owning this space from them does not demand any more work.
(no one is challenging it because of the long timers, big ehp, and extremely fast capital movements)

Look at this raven kill again.
Do you think that this is remote situation?
Eve needs rework , or a large amounts of remote NPC space.
Space that will allow smaller groups to grow without possibility of constant hotdrops by dozens of capitals and super capital ships.
Not all players are interested in SOV, or big fights - some of them prefer small groups chasing each other - something that was core of eve pvp for many years , and something that just died.

From a small gang perspective, what are current issues?
- every ship can be a hot drop of dozens of capitals or bigger fleet that is just bored and sitting on a titan ( had this more than once , way more than few dozen times)
- constant bubbled gates , dozens of large bubbles , each gate
- interceptor roams - well those are very fast , and usually they fly in hundreds. Big blobs don't have any thing else to do sometimes ( yes they have no issues in gate bubbles , while your ships have ) Many people think that this buff , was big nerf to eve game play.
- vast renting grounds , renters usually don't want to fight, they just dock up.
- and many more

But wait!
- check renting alliances , they are full of players!
- BRAVE are in Catch!
So so many new players in null sec - where is the issue!

Check , players on line graph.
I will link it again : http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
We have players online like in 2008.
This is 12.000 players active than in top moment for eve, and the line keeps falling down.
Every one is complaining about lack of content.

Less content = lack of fun.
Lack of fun = less players
Less players = Less content

So yes eve is in very bad place in its history now.
Last expansion is best example, how players reacted.
I wonder will CCP give us someday data how many accounts where reactivated , and at the same time how many where discontinued during this time.

Change carriers and supercarriers so they can't use drones or fighters/bombers and can use gates. They're capital logistics/EWAR ships. Logistics in terms of reps and moving stuff. EWAR in terms of the remote ECM burst on supers. They can both still jump as they can now.

Change Titans so they can only bridge or jump once per day but can use gates. Make it so all characters have a timed flag associated which allows them to use a titan bridge once a day. This means that defending your area/region by hotdropping an invading fleet is possible and hot dropping once a day into a neighbouring region is possible but massive titan jump chains aren't.

Change Dreads so they can use gates and can't jump (except through a titan bridge).

Change it so an alliance can chose one region in which it can use jump bridges and that's it. That way no alliance can jump from one end of the galaxy to the other with jump bridges but they can be used for defensive positioning in your home region.

Don't touch black ops bridging/jumping or jump frighters.

At the moment, a fleet of subcaps can only move as fast as it's slowest ship. This would mean that if you wanted to use caps you would need to move them with your subcap fleet, mostly. That means that the bigger ships you have in your fleet the slower the fleet moves.

Logistics ships can't cause damage and so jumping is fine. Logistically moving things around en masse is still possible. Same with jump frieghters. Black ops should be able to move about more easily than normal fleets.

For sovreignty, make the sov cost for a system increase when the system remains unused. I don't have the skills to suggest a formula for it but have mining, ratting/anoms & pvp cause positive points for a system and time cause negative points and have the sov bills based on the system usage score.

Just my opinion on the matter.

If the using a titan bridge once per day was per character as I suggested you could only use one titan. The second titan in the chain would be useless as the fleet couldn't bridge using it as they'd already done their one jump per day. It would limit the effective range of any jump capable fleet to one jump per day.

A spool-up timer would just increase the time to travel a bit but you could still travel a massive distance across the galaxy in that hour you're talking about. Limiting it to one per day would have more of an effect.

Anyone can go to null any time they want, but what do they do when they get there? Take a look around you, look at the state of null there's nothing happening out there it's just a big isk farm with nothing for people like me to do except grind for slum lords. I'd rather live in low sec where everything is up for grabs instead of being tied up by a few elitist scumbags who give nothing back.

When it becomes clear people are gaining an unfair advantage over others due to broken game mechanics that's called an exploit and devs should try to fix it or the game becomes unbalanced, the sov system, moon goo, and the relative poverty of alliances in empire space is what makes it so easy for them to control everything with minimum effort and nobody can challenge them. It needs looked at, people will stay in empire space or leave the game rather than live under the yoke of groups like cfc, because ironically there's more freedom in high sec than there is in supposedly lawless nullsec.

A few messages ago you wanted to settle a system and build something for yourself, now you changed your mind obviously, so my question repeats - what exactly do you want to do in nullsec? Those slum lords - they prevent you from doing what?

As for the elitist scumbags... if you hate them so much, why dont you kill them?