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Where is my Torpedo NAGA?

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#21 - 2011-12-07 23:04:32 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered.


Links? Were the battleships shooting back? Were those battleships effective against other cruiser-sized targets, or were they fitted for fighting battleship-and-larger targets?

I had the pleasure of flying a Torp Naga in Singularity and tried it out against L4 missions. It tanks like a cruiser. Anyone who knows the difference between tanking a cruiser and tanking a battleship will understand that the Naga is fragile. Claiming that it is overpowered simply because it punches above its weight is foolish.

The Torp Naga was a pleasure to fly, especially because it was built from paper.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-07 23:27:59 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered.


Links? Were the battleships shooting back? Were those battleships effective against other cruiser-sized targets, or were they fitted for fighting battleship-and-larger targets?

I had the pleasure of flying a Torp Naga in Singularity and tried it out against L4 missions. It tanks like a cruiser. Anyone who knows the difference between tanking a cruiser and tanking a battleship will understand that the Naga is fragile. Claiming that it is overpowered simply because it punches above its weight is foolish.

The Torp Naga was a pleasure to fly, especially because it was built from paper.


******* forum keeps eating my posts!

Short version of my deceased post.

Can't find the vids...you do the digging through YouTube if you want to see them and yes they were being fired at but they were fast and at close range to where the BS's couldn't hit them.

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Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-12-07 23:29:29 UTC
0/10

Only read a few lines of the OP's post, glad I didn't waste any of my life on the replies. :)
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#24 - 2011-12-07 23:31:28 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Can't find the vids...you do the digging through YouTube if you want to see them and yes they were being fired at but they were fast and at close range to where the BS's couldn't hit them.


And the problem there is what? They're using the same weapons systems, they have similar bonuses. Perhaps the battleships need webs to hold smaller targets in place?

Stealth bombers have been using torpedoes for a long time.

I play paper. Rock is fine. Nerf scissors!
Roh Voleto
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-12-07 23:47:10 UTC
The thing you are looking for, the low barrier to entry torpedo platform, is called "Stealth Bomber". It has been in the game for quite a while.
Zircon Dasher
#26 - 2011-12-08 01:20:12 UTC
I was really having a good time in 100mn HML Nagas.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2011-12-08 04:12:18 UTC
I know. How dare they make you train for both of your race's weapons systems before being able to properly utilize all of their ships.

It's not not like Gallente have to train hybrids and Drones.

Oh wait.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-08 05:52:35 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!

I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.

Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.

My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus.


6: Caldari do not need another missle ship.


It's not about needing a missile boat, it's about wanting a missile boat. Why not give the Naga the flexibility to field either weapon system? Is there a reason for it?

I chose Caldari because I like missiles, especially torpedoes! The thought of 8 torp launchers raining death on my enemies for 50m makes me wet in the panties.

Also, Caldari players (most anyways) know that the Naga is a good boat, but we picked Caldari because we think missiles are the ****, and CCP decided to give us all blue balls when they yanked our awesome torp boat from us.

I am happy with the Naga, and unless there is a good reason to exclude torps, I kindly request that CCP make an awesome boat more flexible for those Caldari that don't have gunnery trained.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-08 05:58:05 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I know. How dare they make you train for both of your race's weapons systems before being able to properly utilize all of their ships.

It's not not like Gallente have to train hybrids and Drones.

Oh wait.


I see this a lot, and I have yet to see any definitive stance on this from CCP, but what weapon system is primary for Caldari? Honestly, I always thought it was missiles, and here everyone's saying hybrids are? Please back this up, because hybrids are almost always an afterthought when Caldari is involved.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#30 - 2011-12-08 06:09:56 UTC
From dev post they explained missles have rigs that mean they can shoot smaller targets easier, and like OP said they are for fighting supers and such. CCP couldnt find a good way to make them work, always did well against smaller targets they werent designed for.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-12-08 06:13:10 UTC
rodyas wrote:
From dev post they explained missles have rigs that mean they can shoot smaller targets easier, and like OP said they are for fighting supers and such. CCP couldnt find a good way to make them work, always did well against smaller targets they werent designed for.


Torps are terrible against smaller targets unless the ship is webbing and TP'ing. I just don't see a naga getting close enough to web a smaller ship.
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#32 - 2011-12-08 06:13:32 UTC
This is just another "I fly Caldari and I trained only missiles because fck you, and now I'm bawling", isn't it?
Whitebeard Newgate
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-12-08 06:20:29 UTC
Torp Naga role can be done in Stealth Bomber......
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#34 - 2011-12-08 08:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Igualmentedos wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I know. How dare they make you train for both of your race's weapons systems before being able to properly utilize all of their ships.

It's not not like Gallente have to train hybrids and Drones.

Oh wait.


I see this a lot, and I have yet to see any definitive stance on this from CCP, but what weapon system is primary for Caldari? Honestly, I always thought it was missiles, and here everyone's saying hybrids are? Please back this up, because hybrids are almost always an afterthought when Caldari is involved.

Missiles are more prevalent in the lineup and Caldari lack a true gun frigate (The Merlin has a split weapons system), but, based on the fact that there are still a fair bit of hybrid vessels in most classes, I would say missiles and railguns are both primary weapons systems and it just so happens you can also fit blasters (you can fit both types of hybrids, but the bonuses are designed to boost the strenghts of just the one type).

Galente are similar. They have a strong lineup for both blaster ships and drone ships, but can fit rails.

It's not like Amarr where you have two kinds of lasers and a couple ships more biased towards drones, or the Minmatar that are mainly artillery and autocannon platforms with room for missiles, with both races have some specialty T2 ships. In those cases I would call missiles or drones secondary weapons systems.
Cailais
Tao Expeditionary
#35 - 2011-12-08 09:23:11 UTC
It not your NAGA its mine. And I like it with turrets.

Big smile

C.


Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2011-12-08 09:27:45 UTC
Go Away.

Torp naga is a terrible idea, and Rail Nagas completely rock.

Cripes, just look at what we do with them: http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24930

if those were torp nagas, they'd all be dead nagas.

Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#37 - 2011-12-08 09:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Jameson
Confirming that railgun boats needed some lovin'.

I'm a torp player myself, and love me some hot Raven and Manticore action. Sometimes at the same time, cause I'm kinky like that. But I would have been disappointed if CCP had just rolled out another missile boat, cause this game seriously needs to be about diversity. Hence all the recent changes to SCs, Destroyers, Hybrid guns, etc...

@ Helicity: GOOD LORD MAN

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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#38 - 2011-12-08 09:48:35 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Confirming that railgun boats needed some lovin'.

I'm a torp player myself, and love me some hot Raven and Manticore action. Sometimes at the same time, cause I'm kinky like that. But I would have been disappointed if CCP had just rolled out another missile boat, cause this game seriously needs to be about diversity. Hence all the recent changes to SCs, Destroyers, Hybrid guns, etc...

@ Helicity: GOOD LORD MAN



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Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#39 - 2011-12-08 09:54:36 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.


Don't need to justify it, its CCP's toys and they can do with them as they see fit, more fool you for not reading patch notes :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2011-12-08 10:04:41 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
Go Away.

Torp naga is a terrible idea, and Rail Nagas completely rock.

Cripes, just look at what we do with them: http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24930

if those were torp nagas, they'd all be dead nagas.



That is a disgustingly good fight you had there.