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In need of Reassurance about EvE

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2014-07-24 05:39:33 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history.

Excellent. As a blobber, I look forward to the day we can use all our drones and so on without tidi

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#22 - 2014-07-24 05:43:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history.

Excellent. As a blobber, I look forward to the day we can use all our drones and so on without tidi


Rest assured young F1 spam monkey. In 15 or 20 years, we will not remember what TiDi means.

Blink

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Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
#23 - 2014-07-24 05:45:46 UTC
Well I guess CCP's empty promises is half the reason why many people are still playing the game. So more empty promises can't hurt. +1 from me.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2014-07-24 05:46:15 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, thanks to your snide dismissal of content being suggested for you after you solicited advice in the first place, I think I figured out why you're tired of EVE.

So you know what? Just quit. Because if you're actually looking for a dev post just to assuage your feelings, you are definitely asking the wrong company and the wrong message board.

I'm not asking for a dev post. Just dev attention.

And i don't want to want to quit! I want to want to keep playing. I think we all deserve to know what CCP is doing to help fix Null. Things have come to a head and now is the time to be transparent.

As i've pointed out a few times http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility i'm not the only one feeling this way. Lots of people have already stopped logging on.

And snide remark or not, i would like you to answer the question: do you think suicide ganking can sustain eve?
DaReaper wrote:

OP: you want reassurance?!?

CCP Presents 2014
and
Eve Keynote just watch. If you don;t get a glimmer of hope then there is no use.

Please tell me what I'm looking for. I've seen it and from what I remember they did a lot of the past and present of EvE and not a whole lot of the Future of Eve. In fact "building stargates" is the only thing from those videos that i can recall that hasn't already happened yet.

How do we know these stargates arn't going to be locked just like the door in the captain's quarters? In fact we don't know anything about these things. And there's nothing about how they're planning on fixing the game.

But please, don't mistake my skepticism for hopelessness. If i had no glimmer of hope i wouldn't be here now with a payed account posting on the forums.


Sigh...

4-1-1, touch coming (evetually) Valk, legion, eve as one (evetually) more power to players. Industry, corp and alliances, pos, sov, new stuff being fixed (roughly in the order) a more flexible release schedule, hopefully less "hey guys we have this shiney wiht these 5.. no 4.. no 3... no 2... features... the other 3 were cut due to time, we will get to them in 100 years, not new shiney!" If you really can;t see what ccp is doing, with the death of wod and moving dust from ps3 to pc, and valk, then i'm afraid you are blind

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#25 - 2014-07-24 05:55:44 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
I'm not asking for a dev post. Just dev attention


I think you're just looking for attention, period.

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Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-07-24 05:56:46 UTC
DaReaper wrote:

Thats the point. thats why industry NEEDED to be changed. That old code had to die, so new could replace it, something that can have other things built on it. What you are seeing, dear younglings, is a single piece of the picture. Things can now be added and improved because a core mechanic was fixed. There will be bumps and bugs, but they will get ironed out.

I'm not arguing against any of this stuff. I know the code is bad. Everyone knows the code is bad.

But are you really telling me that industry was a TOP priority to combat TiDi???? Do we even have TiDi anymore since the Halloween War is over? I know someone posted the CPU usage % recently. Anyone know where that information is? Something about correlations to war time.

My problem is this. They're priorities are messed up. In our time of strife and stagnation they're choosing to tackle things that have little to no impact on the current climate. While the game is hemorrhaging player activity, they give us something that will not drive any content.

What I want to know is that they're going to get to fixing content drivers.

EvE is in DIRE need of some Hype right now. But we get silence and disenchantment.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#27 - 2014-07-24 05:58:29 UTC
CCP not catering to your niche does not mean that their priorities are wrong.

Especially if you think that shaking up the game's economy is not a game changer. That's pretty much THE game changer, the game revolves around the economy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#28 - 2014-07-24 06:01:16 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
DaReaper wrote:

Thats the point. thats why industry NEEDED to be changed. That old code had to die, so new could replace it, something that can have other things built on it. What you are seeing, dear younglings, is a single piece of the picture. Things can now be added and improved because a core mechanic was fixed. There will be bumps and bugs, but they will get ironed out.

I'm not arguing against any of this stuff. I know the code is bad. Everyone knows the code is bad.

But are you really telling me that industry was a TOP priority to combat TiDi???? Do we even have TiDi anymore since the Halloween War is over? I know someone posted the CPU usage % recently. Anyone know where that information is? Something about correlations to war time.

My problem is this. They're priorities are messed up. In our time of strife and stagnation they're choosing to tackle things that have little to no impact on the current climate. While the game is hemorrhaging player activity, they give us something that will not drive any content.

What I want to know is that they're going to get to fixing content drivers.

EvE is in DIRE need of some Hype right now. But we get silence and disenchantment.



Lets see, in this corner we have bitter vets and noobs who are arm chairing, stating 'hey ccp, you know that game that you wrote, know what the code looks like, how system a interacts with system b, knows what is taxing your load and what isn't and you know how you guys know what you want to implement and what needs to be in place before you guys do? ya you are doing i wrong! you should fix XXXX"

vs.

In this corner CCP the guys (and gals) who wrote the code, knows how it works, knows how system a interacts with system b, knows what does what, and what is coming... yea i think they know better what to tackle then you do thank you very much.

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Tajic Kaundur
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2014-07-24 06:01:27 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
roll the static

so then, yes, stagnant....

Would you say that Tech 3 power creep has an impact on the PvP climate of WH space?
Would you say that Tech 3 power creep especially in regards to logistics impact WH PvP?

How effective are reps on Tech 3 Ships in terms of turret damage. 1:5? more?



I've only been in W-space for about 3-4 months at this point, keep that in mind.

It's not really stagnant. At the very least your chain will lead into multiple lowsecs and nullsecs you can poke around in, gank ratters, run DED sites, whatever. I don't think I've ever been sitting in my POS moaning "ughhh i wanna do somethiiiiing", short of when I log in at 3AM and there's 2 people online.

T3s are fine. They're agile battleships with low mass. The only reason we use them is the last part- low mass. If they had as much mass as battleships, we'd just use battleships, because they're cheaper and don't cost skillpoints. The low mass just means we can bring in 20 instead of 5. T3s also almost never effect moving stuff in and out of holes, short of when you get ganked by them because you didn't scout.

Generally you can expect a fleet to be 4 Guardians and 15-20 T3s, so yeah, 1 guardian per 4-5 T3s. That or 1 carrier per 10-15 T3s, but carriers are somewhat rare to see because a) mass and b) seriously dude don't do that we want a fair fight here

Depends on the hole you're in, though, in a Magnetar you need a lot more logi, while in a Pulsar (if you're using shields) you need less, for instance.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#30 - 2014-07-24 06:04:45 UTC
Now, Crius could turn out to be CCP's NSE (i forget that god awful star wars galaxies expansion name) but i doubt it

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2014-07-24 06:05:30 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Now, Crius could turn out to be CCP's NSE (i forget that god awful star wars galaxies expansion name) but i doubt it


NGE I believe.

And that already happened for CCP, it was called Incarna.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-07-24 06:18:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history.

Excellent. As a blobber, I look forward to the day we can use all our drones and so on without tidi

You won't even get to do this, tidi or not, with the current null sec climate. The likelihood of N3PL and the CFC going to war is abysmal at best. The mechanics to fix this are the same mechanics that will lower engagement sizes out of the mid thousands range. Which may also have a pretty substantial affect on tidi in and of itself.

DaReaper wrote:

Sigh...

4-1-1, touch coming (evetually) Valk, legion, eve as one (evetually) more power to players. Industry, corp and alliances, pos, sov, new stuff being fixed (roughly in the order) a more flexible release schedule, hopefully less "hey guys we have this shiney wiht these 5.. no 4.. no 3... no 2... features... the other 3 were cut due to time, we will get to them in 100 years, not new shiney!" If you really can;t see what ccp is doing, with the death of wod and moving dust from ps3 to pc, and valk, then i'm afraid you are blind

So you're using the Trailer as reference to Valk/Legion/Eve as one. I remember once they had this Trailer that showed a Moros bombarding a Dust installation and another where they had a Dust installation shooting a Moros and another shooting a Phoenix. The lesson I learned, Trailers mean absolute sh*t.

And yes, I understand they put up their "to do list" for us to see. But it's totally vague at best. Might as well have said nothing.

This brings us back to what Manny said.
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Wild speculation and disenchantment is the product of silence.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2014-07-24 06:26:21 UTC
And if they give concrete statements, the same people crying now will cry about anything that gets left out for whatever reason.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-24 06:30:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Now, Crius could turn out to be CCP's NSE (i forget that god awful star wars galaxies expansion name) but i doubt it


NGE I believe.

And that already happened for CCP, it was called Incarna.

I'd say this more closely resembles the WoW expansion Cataclysm. They got rid of any shread of inviable skill build so you could no longer make a screw up build. In other words dumbed it down all the way to zero. I would say that incarna would be most comparable to Pandas in that they offended many people. Though maybe not the people who should have actually be offended, but just on the principle of the matter in general.

Tajic Kaundur wrote:

T3s are fine. They're agile battleships with low mass.

I would consider HACs to be a better representation of agile, low mass battleships. Why T3's instead of HACs? Is the mass still a factor here? Or is it the force/mass ratio?
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-07-24 06:33:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And if they give concrete statements, the same people crying now will cry about anything that gets left out for whatever reason.

We need something that impacts the largest areas lacking in conflict. That means Null Sec or Non-FW Low sec. Until those get changed then yes, i'll probably continue to "cry" about the lack of change.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2014-07-24 06:35:31 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And if they give concrete statements, the same people crying now will cry about anything that gets left out for whatever reason.

We need something that impacts the largest areas lacking in conflict. That means Null Sec or Non-FW Low sec. Until those get changed then yes, i'll probably continue to "cry" about the lack of change.


Lowsec has been receiving incremental improvements for a while now. They are getting much more attention than before, especially given that the current CSM has more than a few lowsec advocates as sitting members.

Nullsec is a tricky problem, hard to tackle at the very least. But if you think they just aren't working on anything, then you're being a fool.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-24 06:44:57 UTC
Dude I'm on pretty good terms with your corp CEO, tell him to contact me for a lead on a better deal.

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Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-07-24 06:50:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Lowsec has been receiving incremental improvements for a while now. They are getting much more attention than before, especially given that the current CSM has more than a few lowsec advocates as sitting members.

Nullsec is a tricky problem, hard to tackle at the very least. But if you think they just aren't working on anything, then you're being a fool.


First of all, the low sec "incremental improvements" are pretty silly honestly. Oh tags4sec, woooo........ Mordu's Legion weee..... Ok so they gave the people living in Low Sec some extra commodities. That's hardly paramount to an "improvement" to driving conflict (which is what i'm talking about).

What they need to do is remove the bar from low sec by revamping security status rating. New players aren't going to low sec to fight with their security status at risk. And for everyone else it's just an arbitrary thing you can fix by ratting in null sec or buying the cheap ass tags. Basically security status amounts to little more than a bar from some people to PvP in low.

It wouldn't take a huge fix, just some slightly thought out mechanics. That I've already proposed.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345662

How complicated would those changes be? Maybe DaReaper could shed some light on that.

And then null sec, that's easy. Just remove Jump drives and bridges of all kinds. That sould depolarize null sec very effectively.
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-07-24 06:53:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dude I'm on pretty good terms with your corp CEO, tell him to contact me for a lead on a better deal.

This has nothing to do with our "deal" or anything. It's just about the climate of the game for me. And i don't speak for anyone else in my corp. I'm not really sure how they feel about it to be honest. This is just about me.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#40 - 2014-07-24 07:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I can reassure you that unless CCP starts releasing actual *content*, EVE is going to decline past the point of no-return within 6-12 months.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.