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The end of the non-elite research corp

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Complaint Dept
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-07-23 02:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Complaint Dept
Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Evil

Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd!

I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand! They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! And many of us have NO INTEREST in null sec space. That's what makes this game so great. However when they do dumb stuff like this it no longer becomes fun. Maybe it's time to look at a different game. Keep it up CCP and you will lose real money.

CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-23 02:24:59 UTC
Complaint Dept wrote:
Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Evil

Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd!

I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand!They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game!

CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!!


The more people building/researching/whatever things in a system, the more you will pay to do those same things. Find a system off the beaten path.

Or continue compaining over nothing I guess.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#23 - 2014-07-23 02:25:54 UTC
also the prices will start to drop and ajust as the new formula kicks in.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-07-23 02:27:07 UTC
Complaint Dept wrote:
CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!!

Request denied.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#25 - 2014-07-23 02:50:35 UTC
Not to worry. The last time CCP buffed the blue donut, players obliged them and they soon followed with a nerf bat.

A 'brand new' character in a Null alliance is called an Alt. Trial alts being the best version and if Null alliances can undercut HS industry using Null throw away alts? They will and after most of the damage is done, CCP will nerf it. Like they always have.

stockpile raw material, wait for the inevitable.
Thibault Etienne
#26 - 2014-07-24 01:18:52 UTC
I notice the ones slagging of people who complain on here are mostly null sec dwellers.
Well another one bites the dust, fair post OP. +1
And that said So long eve. Im un subbing too. all I have to do is hand the corp over and im gone. Bio massed so I wont return.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-07-24 01:24:15 UTC
Zinther Del'Ara wrote:
A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change.

What about a dedicated character moving to null?
Just another few days, and my Bob the Builder will be leaving for null. Crius has accomplished what nothing before did: give me a reason to stop having highsec alts. Sounds like a win to me.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-07-24 02:05:25 UTC
I hope your POS(es) are not in Ambeke. New Intel tools blink red in a system without stations to have more copies going on than any other place, all BPOs are there, inside the high sec pinatas, and I really hope they are not Archons and the like... Ohh, and there is the teams moved there as well Twisted

Send me some game mail and we can make a deal, I have information about shiny pinatas, flying or fixed, in almost every high sec regions.

Pirate

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-07-24 03:06:45 UTC
Breytli Woelin wrote:
fan bois

What was your purpose behind using this term?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#30 - 2014-07-24 03:29:12 UTC
Breytli Woelin wrote:
being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps



Not and be able to use them in a POS which wasn't in the same system.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#31 - 2014-07-24 03:32:59 UTC
Research is dying?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Balaster McNugget
Into The Plasma Inc
#32 - 2014-07-24 04:15:15 UTC
I couldn't agree more with OP. I have already cancelled all my jobs, unanchored and sold my labs, powered off my POS, and I am in the process of selling off all my BPOs.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#33 - 2014-07-24 04:31:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Thibault Etienne wrote:
I notice the ones slagging of people who complain on here are mostly null sec dwellers.
Well another one bites the dust, fair post OP. +1
And that said So long eve. Im un subbing too. all I have to do is hand the corp over and im gone. Bio massed so I wont return.


Whether or not I live in null, I am still in a 1 account corporation, just like a tax avoiding mission runner.

I own some 20 odd ships located in null, 2 towers, arrays and associated modules and the only item sourced not from jita was a Thanatos. Even the Thanatos fit came from jita. I own my own (self researched)bpos for the whole gallente subcap ship line, i spent 3 years building them in highsec, I brought copies of my bpos out, I live 2 jumps away from an ice exporter yet it was more efficient if I didn't build my stuff and they didn't sell me fuel.

Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it.
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-07-24 05:40:42 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
[quote=Thibault Etienne]

Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it.

and their solution is to make everything built in null?
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#35 - 2014-07-24 06:08:56 UTC
As a beginner Inventor, Crius will actually help me. I don't have to wait for slots to open and the job costs are cheap since I live in Lowsec, now I don't need a POS to have available slots 'cause I would never have been able to afford a cost effective POS.

The people who are taking down those POS's are only losing about 1-2% on research times, not much, fuel costs and hassle balance this so they are actually taking them down for the better.

I will agree though that taxing POS jobs is a bit out there, but that doesn't affect me Big smile

And all of my ship BPO's from my library were at ME 5 pre-Crius so now their all ME 9! Got Antimatter to 10 during patch DT so my manufacturing BPC's will be perfect! Helps to plan ahead.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Anuba
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
#36 - 2014-07-24 06:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuba
Quick Call Obama and see if he will Bail out Jita and the Producers Shocked

Eve Crius = Obamacare for the industry.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#37 - 2014-07-24 07:14:21 UTC
Firstly, what's with all the bitching about null? It's not much of an improvement and certainly won;t be meaning we'll start producing everything in null and shipping it the 30 odd jumps to a hub to sell it. High seccers will still produce most of the stuff sold in highsec hubs, just less of the stuff sold to null players.

Secondly, the changes make it easier for the "little guy" to compete. A POS isn't any cheaper for a bigger group to run than a little one, and now you don't actually need a POS, you can use the stations. In its simplest form, the thing you need to work out is "is 25% of the cost of whatever I'm researching more than the fuel cost for a POS for the same time". If the answer is yes, get a POS (which you can now place nearly anywhere).

Thirdly, to all of those people crying "I'm unanchoring my POS and shutting down all of my industry!": brilliant. Go right ahead. Less competition for those of us that have already adapted to the changes and started churning out profit

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#38 - 2014-07-24 08:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Sara Tosa wrote:
Tauranon wrote:


Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it.

and their solution is to make everything built in null?


They raised the price of freight.

null builders mostly only have a true advantage in their local market, and local builders are now a few percent more effective than ordering 2000 line ships in jita, than historically... which may (or may not) come to matter strategically in the future, but will be a good thing if it does.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#39 - 2014-07-24 08:55:50 UTC
Complaint Dept wrote:
Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Evil

Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd!

I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand! They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! And many of us have NO INTEREST in null sec space. That's what makes this game so great. However when they do dumb stuff like this it no longer becomes fun. Maybe it's time to look at a different game. Keep it up CCP and you will lose real money.


My math may be wrong here but this makes researching in your own POS 300 million isk cheaper than in a station. POS fuel for a month is less, unless you use a large tower. I fail to see how you are shorthanded by this.

On the other hand. If it's not wortch it for you, just sell the POS, save the fuel and live happy life.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2014-07-24 09:29:09 UTC
No, the little guy just got a pretty spectacular boost.

Being little, he's agile, and can trivially move around to always match the best location prices without getting stuck in red tape and having to co-ordinate fiftyeleven researchers and producers working at different time tables. Having to keep your BPOs at hand in the POS creates a massive headache for the larger guys; next to zero for the little one, doubly so when you include the security concerns this raise (and no, it was never possible to store BPOs “several jumps away” like you suggest, other than in the exact same way as you can right now so no change there… in fact, do you even do industry?).

The little guy can pull down and up up his POS at will, without having to futz around for weeks or months with standings grinds and/or manipulation by temp-kicking characters that don't match the new space. The large guy is certainly liberated from those constraints as well, but is as mentioned hamstrung by those industrialists on different time tables.

A POS still costs what POS costs, so there is no differentiation there either — you pick the size that matches your needs (even more so when/if array-count scaling goes in), and that match-up is made easier than ever for the little guy since, once again, he has much fewer needs that need to be met.
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