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Restrict NPC Corporation Posting Abilities.

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#961 - 2014-07-23 18:02:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
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Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted.


There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#962 - 2014-07-23 18:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
Dhaq wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Dhaq wrote:
admiral root wrote:
I don't like what you're saying, therefore you must be a troll?


Almost 50 pages summed up in one sentence.

A fun statistic, almost 1/3 of the post in this thread are by one person saying exactly what you just said.


All those people arguing with La Nariz are one person?


No but the ~300 post made by La Nariz are.


+1 for corp naming ("Anonymous Posters", so other readers don't have to look it up.)

However, although I pretty much loath everything about the OPs suggestion and HIS chosen form of game play, let us not make the same tragic mistake he is making in attempting to silence him for his opinions.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#963 - 2014-07-23 19:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Removed some posts for violating rules.

And if you do have an idea to give ISD better/varied tools for working on the forums, I welcome you to start a new thread about it, then direct our attention to it so we can pass it along to CCP and the Community Team. Big smile

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#964 - 2014-07-23 20:16:22 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
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Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted.


There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.


Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea.

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Dhaq
Doomheim
#965 - 2014-07-23 20:37:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea.


100% agree
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#966 - 2014-07-23 20:57:12 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
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Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted.


There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.


Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea.

Ah, something I can agree with!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#967 - 2014-07-24 13:07:01 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
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Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted.


There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.


If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it.

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Dhaq
Doomheim
#968 - 2014-07-24 14:37:45 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
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Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted.


There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.


If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it.


I'm sorry but the GRR GOONS shield does not protect you from the point he was making. Player corporations do not have "far more" constraints and are not a "self moderating force".

If you want to keep making baseless claims without any evidence to back them up, it only serves to show that there isn't so much merit to your ideas as there is trollish intent.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#969 - 2014-07-24 15:29:16 UTC
Dhaq wrote:


I'm sorry but the GRR GOONS shield does not protect you from the point he was making. Player corporations do not have "far more" constraints and are not a "self moderating force".

If you want to keep making baseless claims without any evidence to back them up, it only serves to show that there isn't so much merit to your ideas as there is trollish intent.


Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.

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Dhaq
Doomheim
#970 - 2014-07-24 16:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dhaq
La Nariz wrote:
Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.


No, the comment specifically mentions the alliance that you happen to be a part of, not you.

So let's recap:

1) You make a bold suggestion to ban a large number of forum users, and force them into some alternate game play that they obviously do not care for.

2) You provide no evidence, other than your opinion, to support your idea that NPC corps are lowering the quality of the forum. So much in fact, that every last one of them should all be banned.

Now if you were to go through and get a detailed number of threads and post and be able to give actual hard numbers on how NPC corps are lowering the quality maybe your idea wouldn't seem so absurd. All this information is freely available for you to go gather, organize and submit before us. But you haven't. And you won't. So why on earth should an idea that negatively affects so many people be taken seriously or even considered when the presenter and those few in agreement cannot be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into backing up your claim.

So, no. You are not under attack. Your ridiculous idea is.
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#971 - 2014-07-24 16:20:27 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.


From this thread there is both opposition and support. This seems to break down into hi-sec and nul-sec groupings.

Since your idea is to change the forums by banning/restricting a portion of Eve, the onus of proof is on you to support and sell your idea. Not on the opposition.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#972 - 2014-07-24 16:42:15 UTC
Dhaq wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.


No, the comment specifically mentions the alliance that you happen to be a part of, not you.

So let's recap:

1) You make a bold suggestion to ban a large number of forum users, and force them into some alternate game play that they obviously do not care for.

2) You provide no evidence, other than your opinion, to support your idea that NPC corps are lowering the quality of the forum. So much in fact, that every last one of them should all be banned.

Now if you were to go through and get a detailed number of threads and post and be able to give actual hard numbers on how NPC corps are lowering the quality maybe your idea wouldn't seem so absurd. All this information is freely available for you to go gather, organize and submit before us. But you haven't. And you won't. So why on earth should an idea that negatively affects so many people be taken seriously or even considered when the presenter and those few in agreement cannot be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into backing up your claim.

So, no. You are not under attack. Your ridiculous idea is.


Goonspiracy is ad hom attacking the person through the organization they belong to. Ad hom does nothing to further your purpose and if anything shows you have nothing against the argument.

1. It is not banning/silencing/removing/exterminating/(hyperbolic crap), its restriction NPC corporation members could still post just not everywhere.

2. I provided evidence and this thread has provided plenty of new evidence to support my idea.

I have done as you said before for a different cause and it was met with the same vitriol as this idea. People aren't interested in reality, data or facts they benefit from the mechanic being abused so they want it to stay.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#973 - 2014-07-25 04:23:51 UTC
This has turned into one of the worst suggestions I've read in a while in F&I.

If I'm able to roll alts to awox, spy, steal, sow discord, and destroy inside the game I'm more than free to do the same on forums. Learn to use the block function, like anyone does in Jita Local and be responsible for your own good content filter.

Obfuscation of identity is one of the key forms of play in this game. It's unfortunate that you have to resort to threadnaughts to nerf someone else's style of play.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#974 - 2014-07-25 04:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Oh, and I'm missing the place where any semblance of data is presented in the suggestion creating the thread.

Your perception of NPC alts invading the forums with nonsense appears to be based your narrow and biased perception alone. The percentage of NPC alts who violate forum rules and are reprimanded with temporary or permanent bans is data that is unavailable to you so I'm failing to see how you can draw any scientific conclusions from your "feelings" on the matter.

Lastly, 1.5 million ISK? I fail to see how a corp creation fee that is a deterrent of any kind.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#975 - 2014-07-25 08:41:47 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Lastly, 1.5 million ISK? I fail to see how a corp creation fee that is a deterrent of any kind.


So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles".

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#976 - 2014-07-25 08:54:46 UTC
Rather than restrict others from posting simply restrict yourself from reading/responding to obvious trolls. Problem solved with no code changes required...
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#977 - 2014-07-25 09:56:58 UTC
admiral root wrote:
So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles".

Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#978 - 2014-07-25 14:22:46 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
admiral root wrote:
So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles".

Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.


If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#979 - 2014-07-25 14:28:21 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.


If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage.

You have the same limitation in Jita Local and no blocking function changes have been made in EVE, or planned.

Why should the forums be any different?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#980 - 2014-07-26 13:25:43 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.


If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage.

You have the same limitation in Jita Local and no blocking function changes have been made in EVE, or planned.

Why should the forums be any different?


Jita local should be different as well and I think everyone will agree with me when I say chat bots should be pursued and banned just as much as any other kind of bot. Those bots are exploiting the mechanic just as much as the npc corporation members are on the forums.

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