Science & Industry

My PoS, High Sec, Hyasoda Lab; 12 days to complete at a cost of 115m isk?

Are you serious right now?

1b ISK and change for a blueprint, and then more than 3b ISK to research to ME -10 + another 3 billion again to get TE-20, over the course of months? (edited to reflect actual values of starting the job)

System cost index of 0, or Red, whatever that means.

Yes, verified, BPo, in the lab, could start the job, minus insufficient funds.

Adding some more information here:
According to http://bp.kiwi.frubar.net/calc/

-Going from ME6 to ME7 for a freighter saves about 16m ISK in material costs (minus one capital cargo bay and minus one capital construction part); it'll take approximately 10 builds to recoup those expenses (and this if you're doing the research at a PoS with a hyasoda lab

-Going from ME6 to ME9 saves 58m ISK in material costs, but will cost 1.06B ISK to accomplish (previous ME5 blueprints inherited ME9) and will take about 18 builds to recoup the costs

-Going from ME6 to ME10 saves 66m ISK in material costs, but will cost 2.6B ISK to accomplish, and will take 39 builds to recoup the costs.

The points I want to make are:

• If someone is just getting into making freighters, they are more than fighting an uphill battle versus someone who "had" an ME4 or ME5 BPo pre-Crius, and have to sink exorbitant costs into the ME Research


• 1.6B a level of ME research (the cost of the flipping BPo) seems a bit much for one level of ME, even if it is the last one

Oh it's fine, no offense taken.

It's a bit silly really. I do S&I as a side hobby while playing skill training online; and to have to pay for the fuel for the PoS, be willing to risk a BPo in the PoS, and still have to pay 3b to get to a perfect BPo for ME over the course of 279 days....... Yeah, way to put another nail in the coffin of the game. You're not going to get new industrialists, and when the existing burn out or go away.. That's it.

I've ignored a lot of the "the sky is falling the sky is falling, cancel all the subscriptions," but I'll tell you.. jumping in and seeing 115m for one level was a bit more than just sticker/shell shock. When it costs 3-4x the cost of the blueprint to research it; I think you've gone a bit beyond "lets have meaningful amounts charged for performing R&D" to "F you new guy, F you right in the pooper"

At a minimum there's the perception value. If I go to sell an ME6 BPc against someone else's ME9 or even ME10; who is going to buy the ME6?

That research didn't cost me 3 billion isk to accomplish out of my PoS.

The time isn't really a huge factor, it's the COST to perform the work.

How is that relevant? I mean, that's kind of obvious.

I'm saying the TIME it takes, or any changes to that in a Post-Crius world isn't what is so disconcerting.. the actual concern is the COST, in ISK to perform the work. Previously, ME3 was optimal research, took about 5 months to accomplish, if you wanted to make the BPo better, you could, but with limited gains.

Now it's just a flat decrease in materials per level, and the levels scale in difficulty to achieve. Now to get to ME9(comparable to pre-Cruis ME5) or so, it costs 2.5 or so billion isk, and takes about the same amount of time (or more) to accomplish.

You don't see how spending 3x-4x the cost of a Blueprint to research to ME9-10, while researching it at a PoS, you've also paid for for an additional reduction in both time and the cost of doing the job (because remember, NPC's would also increase that price by an additional 10% for their tax too).... well these factors might put a bit of a glass ceiling on new folks getting into capital production that didn't fall into ME9 or ME10 capital BPos post patch?

Dont forget bonuses from things like teams, outpost and arrays. With a more perfect bpo you start with a lower cost overall, even if in case of a capship the breakpoints where it does or doesnt amount for a full unit of a resource are farther away.