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That didn't take long.. Highsec filled with anchored offline POSes

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-22 20:44:35 UTC
So, we got a bunch of systems where you can now anchor towers. (0.8, 0.9, 1.0).

Go look around. A lot have been anchored. Entire systems filled with offline towers with "for sale" flags.

/facepalm

Good luck with these. Even a large industrial corp only needs a single tower and there are thousands of moons added, plus thousands more freeing up in lower security systems as existing multi-tower setups are torn down due to assembly line changes.

Anyway... this explains the sudden spike in small tower demand, I guess. Lol


Lagerstars
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-07-22 21:30:58 UTC
Plenty to shoot at as most of what I've seen are only small towers, so easily popped.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#3 - 2014-07-22 21:31:37 UTC
Please lets us hack em and steal em!!!

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Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-07-22 22:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
So, we got a bunch of systems where you can now anchor towers. (0.8, 0.9, 1.0).

Go look around. A lot have been anchored. Entire systems filled with offline towers with "for sale" flags.

/facepalm

Good luck with these. Even a large industrial corp only needs a single tower and there are thousands of moons added, plus thousands more freeing up in lower security systems as existing multi-tower setups are torn down due to assembly line changes.

Anyway... this explains the sudden spike in small tower demand, I guess. Lol




I know it's ironic and in some ways tragic to have to tell you on patch day that you need to be patient and wait. However, that's what I am going to tell you. CCP is working on ways to blow up offline POSes. Getting rid of offline POSes has been a request that has been around a while, and with the talk of opening new moons discussion has flared again and CCP has said they would fix it. However, the the industry updates between Kronos and Crius have been so massive that they basically reached a point where they had to stop taking on more stuff and pretty much set about properly implementing the set of changes they announced way back. Things that were on the verge of making it in, like a comprehensive invention rework, a Rorqual update, and inert POS destruction just got the brakes put on them and tabled for "after the summer release" then "after Kronos" then "after Crius. However, as of today work on those projects begins.

What I am saying with this is, yeah, they kinda knew this was going to happen and already told us they'd fix it, but not in time for this patch. But all those people who bought all those offline POSes are going to see them brilliantly CONCORDed sometime in the next few months. If you REALLY need a POS up now, just dec the stupid corp, blow up their POS, and do what you gotta do. But if you can wait a couple of months this problem will be gone. They've committed to addressing it.
Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
#5 - 2014-07-23 06:35:16 UTC
Night has fallen.
Good bye nitrogen isotopes.
We will NOT miss you .
Scout Vyvorant
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-07-23 06:48:54 UTC
The chance of being wardecced because of your pos is directly related to how many pos you have, where and how many easier targets are around you.

I salute all those war dec baits, protecting my pos.
Balaster McNugget
Into The Plasma Inc
#7 - 2014-07-23 15:41:59 UTC
I thought this thread was about people powering off their POS because it is not needed anymore, due to the industry changes. <- that's what I came to report on.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-23 15:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
Balaster McNugget wrote:
I thought this thread was about people powering off their POS because it is not needed anymore, due to the industry changes. <- that's what I came to report on.


That is happening all over space that is below 0.8...

But it seems some clowns decided that there would be a "land rush" into 0.8/0.9/1.0 systems and spammed small offline towers everywhere with "FOR SALE" tags...

You need to go several jumps from Jita before you'll find one without.

Edit: Or had to yesterday, who knows they may have wised up and took down some of them already. No idea.
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#9 - 2014-07-23 15:51:58 UTC
I managed to nab a moon in a system I'd rather live in just by checking moons and happened to catch one just as the previous owners were leaving. While we were setting up no fewer than 6 scouts came to see if the moon was free.

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant no matter what you do. Moons further out will not be in as high demand due to the sheer volume of them, and so trying to sell them would likely be pointless. Near trade hubs though, selling moons could make some good money if you can protect them long enough to find a buyer.
Ginger Barbarella
#10 - 2014-07-23 15:53:42 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Balaster McNugget wrote:
I thought this thread was about people powering off their POS because it is not needed anymore, due to the industry changes. <- that's what I came to report on.


That is happening all over space that is below 0.8...

But it seems some clowns decided that there would be a "land rush" into 0.8/0.9/1.0 systems and spammed small offline towers everywhere with "FOR SALE" tags...

You need to go several jumps from Jita before you'll find one without.

Edit: Or had to yesterday, who knows they may have wised up and took down some of them already. No idea.


Alts with Amarr BS and large energy skillz, wardec. Problem solved. Personally I see it as a) an opportunity for some efficient high sec griefers to make some quick cash legitimately, and b) a wild waste of isk on the part of those planting the flags all over the place. But then, there are still plenty of tools wasting isk on bounties, so what do I know?

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-07-23 16:05:02 UTC
Katherine Raven wrote:

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant


This is completely ********.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#12 - 2014-07-23 18:27:00 UTC

First off, I think selling tower slots is perfectly acceptable.

Unfortunately, there is a major problem with the mechanics involved. If I wardec a corp that has an offline POS, they can unanchor it and anchor another tower with an alt corp long before the wardec goes live. A small tower takes only 7.5 minutes to anchor. This essentially prevents me from using combat to take a tower, which is a big, problematic loop hole.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#13 - 2014-07-23 18:33:31 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Balaster McNugget wrote:
I thought this thread was about people powering off their POS because it is not needed anymore, due to the industry changes. <- that's what I came to report on.


That is happening all over space that is below 0.8...

But it seems some clowns decided that there would be a "land rush" into 0.8/0.9/1.0 systems and spammed small offline towers everywhere with "FOR SALE" tags...

You need to go several jumps from Jita before you'll find one without.

Edit: Or had to yesterday, who knows they may have wised up and took down some of them already. No idea.


It's doubtful they will get taken down unless a mechanic forces it. Right now trying to sell a POS moon is pretty comical but having a flag in the ground so to speak insures they get first crack at any future possibilities.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-23 18:34:59 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Katherine Raven wrote:

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant


This is completely ********.

And it demonstrates that few people understand the new scaling mechanic. Let them cluster around Jita. The less they do so in the systems I work in, the better off I am.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#15 - 2014-07-23 18:38:27 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Katherine Raven wrote:

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant


This is completely ********.

And it demonstrates that few people understand the new scaling mechanic. Let them cluster around Jita. The less they do so in the systems I work in, the better off I am.

If it's a system close to a trade hub with no NPC facilities and very few moons, install costs are all but guaranteed to stay low. I'd say that makes those moons exceedingly desirable.

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Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#16 - 2014-07-23 19:03:25 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Katherine Raven wrote:

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant


This is completely ********.

And it demonstrates that few people understand the new scaling mechanic. Let them cluster around Jita. The less they do so in the systems I work in, the better off I am.

If it's a system close to a trade hub with no NPC facilities and very few moons, install costs are all but guaranteed to stay low. I'd say that makes those moons exceedingly desirable.


At least somebody understood it. I'm not at all surprised it was you.

Maurasi for instance never had manufacturing available in any way, now you can anchor POS' there, but with zero history, rates will still be at their lowest possible. Give it a few months and it'll catch up, but by then most of the towers there will be taken. Once the market fully catches up with the new costs even building at max taxes will still be profitable if you do it in a POS, and being 1 jump from Jita will be pretty tempting for a lot of people (Myself not included).
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#17 - 2014-07-23 19:11:13 UTC
Katherine Raven wrote:
At least somebody understood it. I'm not at all surprised it was you.

I have a fan? This is new. Smile

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Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-07-23 19:54:23 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Katherine Raven wrote:

Systems close to trade hubs will actually see demand for towers and selling moons in those systems may actually be feasible, people are lazy after all, and haling long distances is unpleasant


This is completely ********.

And it demonstrates that few people understand the new scaling mechanic. Let them cluster around Jita. The less they do so in the systems I work in, the better off I am.

If it's a system close to a trade hub with no NPC facilities and very few moons, install costs are all but guaranteed to stay low. I'd say that makes those moons exceedingly desirable.


If only such a place existed. Here's a list of all the hisec systems in Forge, Citadel, and Lonetrek without a station, plus the number of moons in that system:

Citadel:
Kassigainen 43 moons

Forge:
Airmia 26 moons
Obanen 34 moons
Kylmabe 5 moons
Mahtista 26 moons
Otomainen 36 moons (hisec island)

Lonetrek:
Yoma 46 moons
Kuoka 16 moons
Rauntaka 68 moons (hisec island)
Liukikka 50 moons (hisec island)
Aivoli 70 moons (hisec island)

If we extend the "hub" definition to places like Amarr, Hek, Rens, etc, the number goes up, but if we do that we're really talking about all of hisec, aren't we? That's not exactly exclusive real estate, is it? Only two of those systems in the list have few enough moons to fit the scenario you're painting: Kuoka and Kylmabe. All the rest have many, many moons.

There are also the specifics of scaling. I don't think it works the way you think it does. I invite you to revisit the scaling dev blog. Also, bidding for teams is harder the fewer people are in a system.

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Scout Vyvorant
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-07-23 21:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Scout Vyvorant
I'll add i've the feeling CCP is going to make shooting offline PoSses an action not sanctioned by concord soon enough, like mobile depots and mobile tractor units are atm.

While myself I've a couple of towers offline around, I do keep them there because if before i was risking to lose the moon, now it's almost certain I will. If some people decide that keeping a hundred of towers offline around, just to grief on new industrialist, they should probably get ready to defend them as well.

Really make your voice heard from the Devs and make the engament rule for offline pos change! Say yes to turn them into same rule of engament of Depots and Tractor unit, embrace your guns and go destroy them! You see a tower offline? No, I see space junk, and if said corp want to defend it when it come off the reinforced status, so be it, but trust me, people that just seed the entire hi sec of tower wont have the guts to defend it, and if they do they wont be able to defend them all.

CCP Seagull said she wants everything to be destructable, very well, let's start with the high sec trash.

P.s. do actually offline towers go in reinforced mode? I think not, and if they don't, this change will be even more fun.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-07-23 22:13:22 UTC
Scout Vyvorant wrote:

P.s. do actually offline towers go in reinforced mode? I think not, and if they don't, this change will be even more fun.


they do not
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