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How is my plan for Solo?

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Cryate Afuran
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-23 17:45:36 UTC
I have been at the game for a while, part of a nullsec corp that I am very happy with, so I don't want to join a WH corp right now. That being said, I want to jump into wormholes solo for a change of pace, and want to do my best to die as few times as possible. I have two characters I was planning on using (same account). My main is well devently fit hurricane that I use for ratting/PvP in null right now, and I was training this alt into a blockade runner/scanner/etc.

Is solo life viable with those two ships?
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2014-07-23 18:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Jester
I'd stick to C3 or lower, and even a C3 is questionable with a Cane. You don't have the ability to cloak the Cane which is a pretty big problem, as well as the slower warp speed. A Sleip would probably be manageable, but with a Cane you'll have to be pretty selective on your targets. You're looking at mainly miners and maybe poorly fit site running ships depending on how your Cane is fit. I'd suggest staying from all T3s because they'll massacre your Cane even if they're fit for sites.

If possible, I'd advise training your Cane pilot into a Proteus, and then have your scanning alt fly a Falcon (super honourable) so that when things inevitably go belly up, you have a chance of getting out alive. Prot lets you either put out a massive amount of DPS if you don't want to mess around with a cloak, or be able to cloak, have more tank, and more DPS than your Cane would have.

tldr not super viable




EDIT: Didn't notice same account. Either be not bad and transfer char to a second account or get ******

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Meytal
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-07-23 18:15:53 UTC
Given your conditions, it's probably not super viable. You would be better served day-tripping from your home nullsec system than trying to go nomad with a single account, but even that might be difficult: Hisec day-trippers generally have more freedom of movement than you guys in nullsec, so your opportunities to find wormholes might be limited. But even the occasional trip in would offer some variety to every day life.

That said, the Hurricane would definitely be overkill for C1 and maybe C2 sites (I don't fly rust, so knowledge is sketchy), so it's not a bad ship at all for quick visits in and out.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#4 - 2014-07-23 18:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Same account Jester, that won't work.

If you are using 1 account, then you only need one guy. You have a "few options". By default the answer is almost universally a Cloak Proteus. Blasters, Combat probes, cloak. If you do not want to train into blasters/gallente, there are cloaky loki setups out there. They aren't as highly recommended as the default Cloaky Proteus but it is an option. PVE content can be done in either in lower level wormholes. If you are that adamant on not risking high priced ships, you can solo c1-s through most c3's in a pve setup assault frigate (takes practice and good use of transversal but it is doable, slower than a Cruiser/BC but it works).

3rd option is a cloaky Stratios, as the bulk of its damage is from drones, and the lasers are more of a supplement than its primary focus.

If you had a 2nd account with a scanner on it, then yes every other ship is an option, but as you have it setup right now. You would have to Dscan the person down in your scanner, find them, book mark the area, fly your scanner to a safe or outside of the wormhole, drop a bookmark for your other character, log out, log in your other character, pickup bookmark, and warp to bookmark. You will be praying that the person did not move 2 feet away.

For you specifically as it "seems" you are Minmatar, look into the cloaky Loki. They ain't cheap, but if you want to hunt effectively solo in a wormhole, you either need a probing 2nd account, or your primary account hunter needs to have the ability to cloak and probe.

Basically, you need a cloak, you need probes, else you will be relegated to camping poco's and wormhole entrances, which basically makes you dead meat to a competent pilot.


IF you have two accounts, solo nomading is an option. You would require the following.

1) Orca with probes and cloak on one account (he's your base) Hull is fit with a battlecruiser, cloaky, scanner, and salvager
2) Your main that would go out and solo sites. In that case, you are looking for more dead type wormholes (in your case would be c1 nullsec (which won't work as you cannot fit an orca in it), c3 nullsecs, c3 lowsecs, or a c2 with something like a c1 nullsec or c4 nullsec static.

Its an option, and people do it. If that is what you believe is fun, then more power to you. To be effecitve in that lifestyle you need at "LEAST" a 2nd account with a Orca (optionally a Deep Space Transport with a mobile depot can also work as a base if you don't want to do/risk an orca).

Yaay!!!!

Cryate Afuran
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-23 18:33:24 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
I'd stick to C3 or lower, and even a C3 is questionable with a Cane. You don't have the ability to cloak the Cane which is a pretty big problem, as well as the slower warp speed. A Sleip would probably be manageable, but with a Cane you'll have to be pretty selective on your targets. You're looking at mainly miners and maybe poorly fit site running ships depending on how your Cane is fit. I'd suggest staying from all T3s because they'll massacre your Cane even if they're fit for sites.

If possible, I'd advise training your Cane pilot into a Proteus, and then have your scanning alt fly a Falcon (super honourable) so that when things inevitably go belly up, you have a chance of getting out alive. Prot lets you either put out a massive amount of DPS if you don't want to mess around with a cloak, or be able to cloak, have more tank, and more DPS than your Cane would have.

tldr not super viable



Thanks for the advice. I don't want to rush into anything simply for the sake of trying it.

Right now this is my standard roaming fit on the cane

425mm AutoCannon II (x5)

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Microwarp

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II (x2)
Gyrostabilizer II (x3)

Medium Core Defense Field Extender (x3)

Warrior II's


I was going to do all of the scouting/bookmarking targets/etc. with the alt, then just log in for the fight with the cane, bounce between safe spots until the timer is off and log off with the cane pilot.

Meytal and Phoenix, I just read your replies, and that is what I was curious about. I have never used WHs for anything other than quick travel to high sec, so the immediate shoot down of my plan tells me a lot. Looks like I need to see how far away from a better ship, or transfer someone to a second account.

Either way it looks like I should stick to daytrips for a little while.

My biggest problem always has been my piece of sh*t computer...running two clients at once is tough on it. Once I pull the trigger and replace it, transferring one of my two alts to a second account will make life a lot easier for me
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2014-07-23 18:47:07 UTC
Cryate Afuran wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
I'd stick to C3 or lower, and even a C3 is questionable with a Cane. You don't have the ability to cloak the Cane which is a pretty big problem, as well as the slower warp speed. A Sleip would probably be manageable, but with a Cane you'll have to be pretty selective on your targets. You're looking at mainly miners and maybe poorly fit site running ships depending on how your Cane is fit. I'd suggest staying from all T3s because they'll massacre your Cane even if they're fit for sites.

If possible, I'd advise training your Cane pilot into a Proteus, and then have your scanning alt fly a Falcon (super honourable) so that when things inevitably go belly up, you have a chance of getting out alive. Prot lets you either put out a massive amount of DPS if you don't want to mess around with a cloak, or be able to cloak, have more tank, and more DPS than your Cane would have.

tldr not super viable



Thanks for the advice. I don't want to rush into anything simply for the sake of trying it.

Right now this is my standard roaming fit on the cane

425mm AutoCannon II (x5)

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Microwarp

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II (x2)
Gyrostabilizer II (x3)

Medium Core Defense Field Extender (x3)

Warrior II's


I was going to do all of the scouting/bookmarking targets/etc. with the alt, then just log in for the fight with the cane, bounce between safe spots until the timer is off and log off with the cane pilot.

Meytal and Phoenix, I just read your replies, and that is what I was curious about. I have never used WHs for anything other than quick travel to high sec, so the immediate shoot down of my plan tells me a lot. Looks like I need to see how far away from a better ship, or transfer someone to a second account.

Either way it looks like I should stick to daytrips for a little while.

My biggest problem always has been my piece of sh*t computer...running two clients at once is tough on it. Once I pull the trigger and replace it, transferring one of my two alts to a second account will make life a lot easier for me


Holy **** that Cane is going to DIAF. Like you couldn't even gank C2 site runners with it because the sleepers would probably pop you unless you warped off. I would highly suggest starting another account and transferring your scanner character. Depending on how absolute **** your computer is, you could scale settings to minimum on both accounts and then just turn shaders to high on your scanner character so that you can tell what type of WH you're jumping into.

With just a Cane you're not going to be able to do anything. You could go solo with a cloaky scanny prot on one character. I'd suggest training your character into a Prot with good skills and in the meantime sticking to daytripping. Maybe get some guys from your null corp together and do daytrip roams through WHs.

But, as has been said, currently your plan is not viable.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Cryate Afuran
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-07-23 18:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cryate Afuran
Andrew Jester wrote:

Holy **** that Cane is going to DIAF. Like you couldn't even gank C2 site runners with it because the sleepers would probably pop you unless you warped off. I would highly suggest starting another account and transferring your scanner character. Depending on how absolute **** your computer is, you could scale settings to minimum on both accounts and then just turn shaders to high on your scanner character so that you can tell what type of WH you're jumping into.

With just a Cane you're not going to be able to do anything. You could go solo with a cloaky scanny prot on one character. I'd suggest training your character into a Prot with good skills and in the meantime sticking to daytripping. Maybe get some guys from your null corp together and do daytrip roams through WHs.

But, as has been said, currently your plan is not viable.


That is my PvP fit right now. I know it isn't anything I could go after sleepers as well as players with.

I picked my cane just because I was looking for something cheap (aka, I can lose a few) before I learn how to not be a complete basket case in WHs.

So it seems the overwhelming response is to get into at least a Loki (a lot less training time than Proteus for me) and moving an alt to a second account before even thinking about this?

EDIT: Thanks for the advice so far. Forum advice shooting holes in my plan cost a lot less ISK than testing it out in game
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-07-23 19:03:03 UTC
pretty much. Also get friends and try so that you can get used to hunting in WHs and WH mechanics. Having a small fleet with you allows for some error room because of the numbers you have.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Cryate Afuran
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-07-23 19:09:57 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
pretty much. Also get friends and try so that you can get used to hunting in WHs and WH mechanics. Having a small fleet with you allows for some error room because of the numbers you have.


Thanks for the help. I like the idea of trying to survive solo in some of the harder content, but if I keep dying, that defeats the purpose...

I do most of my fighting in canes and tornados, but it seems painfully obvious neither of those really has a place in w-space outside of a fleet
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#10 - 2014-07-23 19:13:43 UTC
Cryate Afuran wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:

Holy **** that Cane is going to DIAF. Like you couldn't even gank C2 site runners with it because the sleepers would probably pop you unless you warped off. I would highly suggest starting another account and transferring your scanner character. Depending on how absolute **** your computer is, you could scale settings to minimum on both accounts and then just turn shaders to high on your scanner character so that you can tell what type of WH you're jumping into.

With just a Cane you're not going to be able to do anything. You could go solo with a cloaky scanny prot on one character. I'd suggest training your character into a Prot with good skills and in the meantime sticking to daytripping. Maybe get some guys from your null corp together and do daytrip roams through WHs.

But, as has been said, currently your plan is not viable.


That is my PvP fit right now. I know it isn't anything I could go after sleepers as well as players with.

I picked my cane just because I was looking for something cheap (aka, I can lose a few) before I learn how to not be a complete basket case in WHs.

So it seems the overwhelming response is to get into at least a Loki (a lot less training time than Proteus for me) and moving an alt to a second account before even thinking about this?

EDIT: Thanks for the advice so far. Forum advice shooting holes in my plan cost a lot less ISK than testing it out in game

Just like most forums, there is some good advice, some bad advice. If you are that concerned, try out some fittings on the test server, throw your test ship at stuff and see if it lives. It might be a bit hard to find wormholes on the test server though. Had to do that to truely see if Proteus PVE is as bad as they say (it is).

Yaay!!!!

Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2014-07-23 19:15:54 UTC
Cryate Afuran wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
pretty much. Also get friends and try so that you can get used to hunting in WHs and WH mechanics. Having a small fleet with you allows for some error room because of the numbers you have.


Thanks for the help. I like the idea of trying to survive solo in some of the harder content, but if I keep dying, that defeats the purpose...

I do most of my fighting in canes and tornados, but it seems painfully obvious neither of those really has a place in w-space outside of a fleet


While solo is cool, you need to know what the **** you're doing first. Go with friends, then go solo. Otherwise you'll just keep dying while you try to get the hang of it.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#12 - 2014-07-23 22:15:45 UTC
Cryate Afuran wrote:
I have been at the game for a while, part of a nullsec corp that I am very happy with, so I don't want to join a WH corp right now. That being said, I want to jump into wormholes solo for a change of pace, and want to do my best to die as few times as possible. I have two characters I was planning on using (same account). My main is well devently fit hurricane that I use for ratting/PvP in null right now, and I was training this alt into a blockade runner/scanner/etc.

Is solo life viable with those two ships?


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Enjoy your sub-50% efficiency. You can't do **** in wormholes without a proteus blob and logi.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#13 - 2014-07-23 23:08:19 UTC
Ignore efficiency, focus on what is fun for you. This is a game, not a job. You are solo. Throw efficiency out the door, do what is fun and what works for you. This does not mean fit the crappiest ship and make it work. It means figure out your goal then aim to accomplish it. If you enjoy what you do, and how you do it, and you don't care about what you lose ship wise, who cares, go do it. Long as you are financially solvent go for it. People will say " wtf that is terrible" but if you enjoy yourself, you enjoy yourself. you now know the logistical issues you will have.

Enjoy.

Yaay!!!!

Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#14 - 2014-07-24 01:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Saisin
Gratz on your bold choice and best of luck! Big smile

Select ships that can warp cloaked to be able to select your fights, have two separate accounts, and never forget about the polarization effect when jumping through a WH.. This is what can get you killed by locals in no time Cool

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Cryate Afuran
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-07-25 20:25:57 UTC
Thanks again for the advice. I am leaning towards saying "what the hell, let's try it this weekend and assume I will lose 100mil"

I definitely want to get into a loki, but it will be a little while until I finish my current training plan, so I won't be an 'optimal' fit soon. The draw of doing something that walks that line between crazy and flat out stupid is calling me pretty hard right now
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#16 - 2014-07-26 01:41:52 UTC
Would definitely recommend dual boxing for scouting purposes and just generally makes things a lot easier if solo. Also widens the pool of potential targets for you when you have two ships (supposing your second isn't just in a covops frigate).

If you can't then I'd agree with the cloaky Proteus option.

If you like your Matari stuff though the cloaky Loki is still pretty viable if you have the skills to squeeze the most out of it's tank/DPS and tracking. For an idea of a fit to play with my Loki alt flies this :

Highs
5 x 425mm Autocannon II
1 x Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
1 x Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Mids
2 x Large Shield Extender II
1 x Experimental 10mn Microwarpdrive I
1 x Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
1 x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Lows

2 x Gyrostabilizer II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Rigs (Some folks drop the extender for a projectile weapon rig for moar dps)
1 x Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
1 x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
1 x Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Subsystems

Loki Defensice - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyser
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


It's not awesome, and lacks tracking so has trouble landing damage on small targets without web, but I usually dual box something else with a web anywho.

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2014-07-26 01:56:47 UTC
I wouldn't take solo advice from Dusette. That clan relies on me to find them LS content)

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#18 - 2014-07-26 02:02:44 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
I wouldn't take solo advice from Dusette. That clan relies on me to find them LS content)

Can confirm this.

Every lowsec fleet needs one special lunatic to draw the content. My family's never filled that role well, but we do like to show up in time to see Jester explode. Giggles all 'round.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2014-07-26 02:11:02 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
I wouldn't take solo advice from Dusette. That clan relies on me to find them LS content)

Can confirm this.

Every lowsec fleet needs one special lunatic to draw the content. My family's never filled that role well, but we do like to show up in time to see Jester explode. Giggles all 'round.


I don't think I've died doing it once. all I do is win

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#20 - 2014-07-26 02:15:04 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
I wouldn't take solo advice from Dusette. That clan relies on me to find them LS content)

Can confirm this.

Every lowsec fleet needs one special lunatic to draw the content. My family's never filled that role well, but we do like to show up in time to see Jester explode. Giggles all 'round.


I don't think I've died doing it once. all I do is win

Oh yeah, that was nullsec.

Lowsec I protected you with dishonor Falcon.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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