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Victor Andall
#821 - 2014-07-23 15:20:37 UTC
I knew following this thread would pay off eventually.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#822 - 2014-07-23 15:25:47 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
I'm SO happy that you have all decided collectively to get back to the one thing that Hub Zero was ever truly good for: Creating wonderful forum drama!

On a personal level, it's very gratifying that Dracvlad has FINALLY come to the exact same conclusion that I (and quite a few others) reached 4 years ago after spending a day or two around Aaron. His description of Aaron is spot on. I guess some people are slow learners but better late than never!

And FWIW I don't dislike Aaron personally. He's quite a character. But FOLLOW his 'leadership'? Surely you jest. He'd be a good guy to have around in a mid-level leadership spot as kind of the village idiot or the class clown, but to actually be THE guy in charge? Ummm, no.


Hi Ferguson,

Hows things going?

Your posts are amusing and add enjoyment to my day Big smile.

One only needs to look at your alliance name and see that you are the type of player that does everything alone, I don't think you like anyone's leadership.

Take care old friend :)

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#823 - 2014-07-23 15:26:27 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Facts of what happened as I remember them:

- Tev left TS3 channels and Hub chat channels of his own free will
- I was set red by chev and he applied a bounty to me, it was at this point I kicked him
- I immediately talked with Moac regarding my actions to which he agreed to and understood.
- Tev came into my local and attempted to find me with combat scanner probes
- I responded by kicking chev from teamspeak and attempted to reason with tev
- Sky' Darkstar posted a very accurate and excellent video summary of this entire forum thread and all that it has dissolved into

I think I dealt with what occurred exactly how a leader would have.


Fixed it for you, Aaron.

-Sky'
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#824 - 2014-07-23 15:40:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Thats a wierd thing to say about me when we have had no real contact at all, first of all I have never seen you on comms, second thing is that in terms of chat I suggest you post here anything I have said that indicates me as being in anyway like Aaron.

I didn't say you are like him, I said you both wind up too easly. As for an example of this, I can point out only two:
1) Whatever happened between you and whatever agreements were broken, you first kicked Aaron from alliance and posted angry post on forums, and after that asked for his part of story.
2) As I stated in my previous post, you saw him mentioning being in Eve for quite a long time, interpreted context in a wrong way, and immidiately accused him on forums with attempt to being pompous and pretentious. I don't say Aaron doesn't or does act as pompous and pretentious usually ( I saw someone accusing him with that in those chat debats), but in this particular post he ment something else by saying this.

IMO, this are examples of hastilty actions that should be considered and talked over - in private or limited channels - before executing them.


1) that you have a fair point on, and I will hold up my hand to that one, that was an error on my part, however we had had three days of this splat between him and Chevere, Aaron had agreed to let Tylo deal with it and each day we would have another incident, when I spoke to Aaron and asked him to step back his voice indicated that he was not agreeing with me in the way he said yes to me in not getting involved, so he was not honest enough to say no. But once Chevere had put a bounty on him and set him personally red we would have acted, Aaron should have banned him and not the other guy and sent the other leaders a mail to say what happened.

Ray with respect, I have known Aaron a long time and I have seen him use that phrase multiple times in strong discussions to try to say the other person was wrong, in other words he knows best because he is an old player, I keep telling him not to use that sentence, because people really hate it and take the mick out of it, but he keeps using it, doesn't he get it that its meaningless and just winds up the other person.

And another thing he does not gank and he has hardly done any sov warfare at all.

Edit: The only reason I am still posting on this and are still in the Hub Zero channel is because Moac asked me to hold on a bit, and that a number of people have said they will leave if I leave, which I do not want, but rather than continue this I will leave Hub-Zero now and stop posting. I wish you well.


Drac, the point i am making is that you were manipulated into making this so called error. Your new friend tev is very smart and played you because he saw the opportunity to drive a further wedge between us. Tev knew what you and I had agreed and found a way to make it look like I had broken an agreement with you. All I am guilty of is dealing with an issue where most leaders would have taken similar actions.

I am not emotional, sad or upset about this I've just accepted it as part of the game.

I think you should do what you originally said you would do which is de-sub your accounts and play Star Citizens. I accept that some people say they are going to leave if you do and it would be a shame to see people leave.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#825 - 2014-07-23 15:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
Facts of what happened as I remember them:

- Tev left TS3 channels and Hub chat channels of his own free will
- I was set red by chev and he applied a bounty to me, it was at this point I kicked him
- I immediately talked with Moac regarding my actions to which he agreed to and understood.
- Tev came into my local and attempted to find me with combat scanner probes
- I responded by kicking chev from teamspeak and attempted to reason with tev

I think I dealt with what occurred exactly how a leader would have.


One omission, when I logged on I found Tev was also banned from the TS server, if he had not been banned I would not have blown up. as I did.

EDIT:
And I really wish you had sent me a mail before you logged, why didn't you, now I hold up my hands and admit I reacted too fast, but that is because of the previous issues, this just brought it to a head.

One final thing, you need to remove Splinter3000 and Blade1975 from Hub-Zero channel, he was telling MrGronk all manner of stuff and this morning he knew very quickly that Serenity was heading to S91-T1.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#826 - 2014-07-23 15:53:37 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Facts of what happened as I remember them:

- Tev left TS3 channels and Hub chat channels of his own free will
- I was set red by chev and he applied a bounty to me, it was at this point I kicked him
- I immediately talked with Moac regarding my actions to which he agreed to and understood.
- Tev came into my local and attempted to find me with combat scanner probes
- I responded by kicking chev from teamspeak and attempted to reason with tev

I think I dealt with what occurred exactly how a leader would have.


One omission, when I logged on I found Tev was also banned from the TS server, if he had not been banned I would not have blown up. as I did.


No, what I said was correct, Tev left of his own free will after making a scene in our public channel, calling me names saying I was mad. He told me he wanted nothing more to do with the Hub. At that point I banned him.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
flakeys
Doomheim
#827 - 2014-07-23 15:56:28 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Thats a wierd thing to say about me when we have had no real contact at all, first of all I have never seen you on comms, second thing is that in terms of chat I suggest you post here anything I have said that indicates me as being in anyway like Aaron.

I didn't say you are like him, I said you both wind up too easly. As for an example of this, I can point out only two:
1) Whatever happened between you and whatever agreements were broken, you first kicked Aaron from alliance and posted angry post on forums, and after that asked for his part of story.
2) As I stated in my previous post, you saw him mentioning being in Eve for quite a long time, interpreted context in a wrong way, and immidiately accused him on forums with attempt to being pompous and pretentious. I don't say Aaron doesn't or does act as pompous and pretentious usually ( I saw someone accusing him with that in those chat debats), but in this particular post he ment something else by saying this.

IMO, this are examples of hastilty actions that should be considered and talked over - in private or limited channels - before executing them.


1) that you have a fair point on, and I will hold up my hand to that one, that was an error on my part, however we had had three days of this splat between him and Chevere, Aaron had agreed to let Tylo deal with it and each day we would have another incident, when I spoke to Aaron and asked him to step back his voice indicated that he was not agreeing with me in the way he said yes to me in not getting involved, so he was not honest enough to say no. But once Chevere had put a bounty on him and set him personally red we would have acted, Aaron should have banned him and not the other guy and sent the other leaders a mail to say what happened.

Ray with respect, I have known Aaron a long time and I have seen him use that phrase multiple times in strong discussions to try to say the other person was wrong, in other words he knows best because he is an old player, I keep telling him not to use that sentence, because people really hate it and take the mick out of it, but he keeps using it, doesn't he get it that its meaningless and just winds up the other person.

And another thing he does not gank and he has hardly done any sov warfare at all.

Edit: The only reason I am still posting on this and are still in the Hub Zero channel is because Moac asked me to hold on a bit, and that a number of people have said they will leave if I leave, which I do not want, but rather than continue this I will leave Hub-Zero now and stop posting. I wish you well.


Drac, the point i am making is that you were manipulated into making this so called error. Your new friend tev is very smart and played you because he saw the opportunity to drive a further wedge between us. Tev knew what you and I had agreed and found a way to make it look like I had broken an agreement with you. All I am guilty of is dealing with an issue where most leaders would have taken similar actions.

I am not emotional, sad or upset about this I've just accepted it as part of the game.

I think you should do what you originally said you would do which is de-sub your accounts and play Star Citizens. I accept that some people say they are going to leave if you do and it would be a shame to see people leave.


What's that about manipulation .... Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#828 - 2014-07-23 16:01:20 UTC
http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/popcorn-watching-neighbours-fighting-bundys-married-with-children.gif

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Victor Andall
#829 - 2014-07-23 16:07:00 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rZfpSL1RQ

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#830 - 2014-07-23 17:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Dracvlad,

I forgive you ok. You have worked hard on this and I would like to thank you for it. I will set you blue and I will ensure your corp/alliance is permanently on the Hubs blue standings list. You will allways have a place to chill here.

Take care old friend. o7

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#831 - 2014-07-23 17:37:48 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad,

I forgive you ok. You have worked hard on this and I would like to thank you for it. I will set you blue and I will ensure your corp/alliance is permanently on the Hubs blue standings list. You will allways have a place to chill here.

Take care old friend. o7


You guys need serious ****ing help.

-Sky'
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#832 - 2014-07-23 17:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Fascinating....

Why is this occurring in public, exactly?



For our amusement, unintentional as that may be?

If not, then at the very least it serves as a warning sign that this might not be the best place to go looking to live just now if you're looking for consistent and coherent leadership...

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Teverine Tolqu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#833 - 2014-07-23 19:03:57 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Facts of what happened as I remember them:

- Tev left TS3 channels and Hub chat channels of his own free will
- I was set red by chev and he applied a bounty to me, it was at this point I kicked him
- I immediately talked with Moac regarding my actions to which he agreed to and understood.
- Tev came into my local and attempted to find me with combat scanner probes
- I responded by kicking chev from teamspeak and attempted to reason with tev

I think I dealt with what occurred exactly how a leader would have.


Interesting how you take only the information you need Aaron and use it entirely from the what do you say 'unbiased' view ?

So ok let's talk about it as you choose to involve me,

- Tev left TS3 channels and Hub chat channels of his own free will

No Tev left as you kicked Chev for disagreeing with you 10 minutes after an arguement when he was in Ts with several of us trying to PVP not even in a channel with you, at that time as Chev was our FC we had no choice but to move to a different Channel, at no point did i leave Hub Zero during this situation ! It was later much later in the night when my CEO logged in and informed us the whole corp was leaving Hub-Zero, As you know Global Mega Comcucon had entirely different reasons for leaving hub zero and i just followed what my CEO told me to do.

- I was set red by chev and he applied a bounty to me, it was at this point I kicked him

Interesting why don;t you link to everyone when this was set and done ? Why not, oh yes it was done over a week beforehand after your fiasco of taking over our fleet, insisting you should Fc making us faff around for an hour, been given full intel, and jumping in, repeating intel told and telling us to run away.... This was the night you had a huge disaggreement with Splinter, remember when you told all of us in TS that we HAVE to show you respect as you created Hub Zero... you actually demanded respect from us, when all of us had never heard of you until we came down, I believe me and Valora and Chev was recruited by our own Corp and Splinter and his lot was invitged down by Drac.... shall we not menetion the Spy who came into TS to listen after we told you, to which you continued to give away all our ship's and fits ?


- Tev came into my local and attempted to find me with combat scanner probes

Now this is one of my favourties here Aaron ! Do you now deny i repeatedly told you i was scanning cosmic sigs ? Did i not invite you to the relic site i was descanning to view ? did i not tell you in detail and all those to Hub Zero that i learnt that if i scan down sites with Combat probes and a random neut or red jumps in they think i am looking for them and they jump away leaving me to scan in peace ? Or was you genually afraid a player of only 2 months in a Heron alone asking you for a fleet inv, which would of obviously mean't no one else could of jumped to you scare you that much ? You was Blue to me which i also explained, I respect my CEO and i respect Dracvlad they told me to leave you alone which i was attempting to do.


- I responded by kicking chev from teamspeak and attempted to reason with tev

No Aaron that is not what happened, I spoke to Dracvlad about your terrible behaviour, and the huge chip you carry on your shoulder, no wonder you hardly leave 8K i doubt there is a jump frieghter big enough to move that chip ! Dracvlad assured me you and he had spoken and it was agreed you would leave us alone and let everything calm down, so what did you do 10 minutes after Drac logged ? What did you do Aaron ? you joined our TS whilst we was fighting Coven and what did you do ?
That's right you took FC !!! Seriously..... to avoid arguement i left, i just walked off and had a cuppa, when i came back Chev was offline, me and several of the normal lot that relax with me heard at least half hour later Chev has been banned for life.....

It was when i asked why you started to send me threatening and abusive mails and local chat aswell as your dsisgusting attitude in Hub, Funny when i have a problem with Drac or my own corp you don;t see it, as i private chat. I show that much respect for others, and before you bleet on about my experience and Chev using me, I'd like to remind you of two things, firstly i am a very successful 40 year old Buisness man trust me Chev could not manipulate a Tomato, he just says what he sees, but that is not the discussion. secondly this whole issue is not about gameplay, it is not about what is the best PvP or PvE fit, the issue is your terrible man mangement skills, your lack of respect for others, and your Napoleaonic complex that doesn;t allow you to listen to others....

It's a shame as when it comes down to it your an ok guy ! I want it clear i will not seek you out, i will not target you, you are not worth my bother or time (not that my crappy skills could dent you anyway :O ), I don't dislike you and if you need assitance if your in trouble please shout in local and i'm sure you'll have a aramda turn up !
flakeys
Doomheim
#834 - 2014-07-23 19:10:44 UTC
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad,

I forgive you ok. You have worked hard on this and I would like to thank you for it. I will set you blue and I will ensure your corp/alliance is permanently on the Hubs blue standings list. You will allways have a place to chill here.

Take care old friend. o7


You guys need serious ****ing help.



No **** ..... Big smile

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#835 - 2014-07-23 19:30:45 UTC
[19:03:54] Jackie Esticato > well i think regardless im curios whats happened latley
[19:04:10] Jackie Esticato > you sort of stuff with drac and all
[19:04:25] Aaron > yeah kinda, i forgave him
[19:04:52] Jackie Esticato > well thats good
[19:05:08] Aaron > he accepted he got this one wrong

I think you owe Aaron an apology, Dracvlad. I mean, getting this one wrong and all.

I feel for ya, Tev. But you've got to remember that Aaron has been playing the game for 11 years! And his PVP record speaks for itself! You should probably apologize to Aaron too.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#836 - 2014-07-23 20:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Teverine Tolqu wrote:


Non-sense



Providing intel to blues is now seen as taking over a fleet? Don't make me laugh.

You are a liar and I am not going to go over every little point with you this is a complete waste of time. I am very happy you will no longer a be part of this. You are way too much work, a full time job infact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxgfTMLtc0

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
ColdH3art3d
check mate Corp
#837 - 2014-07-23 20:19:38 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
[quote=Aaron]Facts of what happened as I remember them:

One final thing, you need to remove Splinter3000 and Blade1975 from Hub-Zero channel, he was telling MrGronk all manner of stuff and this morning he knew very quickly that Serenity was heading to S91-T1.


WOW. Now Check Mate is in this Soap Opera??!! I can not believe Dracvlad would even make this type of accusation. Since he did, I will speak for MYSELF and RedneckWarrior when I say this. I am done with Hub-Zero. My standings with each of you out here in Stain WILL remain blue, unless of course any of you decide to aggress me OR anyone in our corp. IF any of you need help, I will, as I have done in the past, help IF I can. All you need to do is private message me or RedneckWarrior. As for this accusation that Dracvlad made, splinter3000 OR BLADE1975, does NOT need to give intel on where someone is, especially to Mr Gronk and his alts. He has characters in all the systems in this area, and can see for himself WHERE any of us are when traveling up or down the pipe. SO, for this accusation and past problems, I am leaving the Hub-Zero Channels. I WILL have NO part of the Hub-Zero idea or what ever it may be called. Like I stated in this post, I WILL help any of you IF you need help. You just have to private message me or yell in local. As before, I am not setting ANY of you to red.


P.S.
I did enjoy being in the channels for the most part. But, I HATE Soap Operas and will be NO Part of one.
Have Fun all and FLY SAFE :)
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#838 - 2014-07-23 20:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
ColdH3art3d wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
[quote=Aaron]Facts of what happened as I remember them:

One final thing, you need to remove Splinter3000 and Blade1975 from Hub-Zero channel, he was telling MrGronk all manner of stuff and this morning he knew very quickly that Serenity was heading to S91-T1.


WOW. Now Check Mate is in this Soap Opera??!! I can not believe Dracvlad would even make this type of accusation. Since he did, I will speak for MYSELF and RedneckWarrior when I say this. I am done with Hub-Zero. My standings with each of you out here in Stain WILL remain blue, unless of course any of you decide to aggress me OR anyone in our corp. IF any of you need help, I will, as I have done in the past, help IF I can. All you need to do is private message me or RedneckWarrior. As for this accusation that Dracvlad made, splinter3000 OR BLADE1975, does NOT need to give intel on where someone is, especially to Mr Gronk and his alts. He has characters in all the systems in this area, and can see for himself WHERE any of us are when traveling up or down the pipe. SO, for this accusation and past problems, I am leaving the Hub-Zero Channels. I WILL have NO part of the Hub-Zero idea or what ever it may be called. Like I stated in this post, I WILL help any of you IF you need help. You just have to private message me or yell in local. As before, I am not setting ANY of you to red.


P.S.
I did enjoy being in the channels for the most part. But, I HATE Soap Operas and will be NO Part of one.
Have Fun all and FLY SAFE :)


I see enough drama in Coronation Street (an english soap opera) and I hope people can see clearly that the drama is in no way shape or form coming from me. I have tried really hard to steer clear of the drama but it always finds me. I would only ask that you do not take what Dracvlad types as him speaking for Hub Zero. The Hub is now drama free and even though the the people who create drama are still blue to us our involvement with them will be limited. It's been great fun knowing you Warrior you bring a cheerful vibe to TS and chat channels and I would like this to continue.

What u said was correct warrior, Mr Gronk seems to be able to control a large amount of toons, so many in-fact that he is able to camp 10 systems at once. Hmmmm.......I wonder what his secret is......

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#839 - 2014-07-23 20:39:04 UTC
Aaron wrote:


I have tried really hard to steer clear of the drama but it always finds me.



I know I speak for many people (well that could just be my Dissociative Identity Disorder kicking in) when I say that I heartily applaud your steadfast and largely successful efforts to avoid inciting drama.

In fact, I have no idea why people seem to associate this thread, and by extension yourself, with space drama at all.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#840 - 2014-07-23 20:39:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
ColdH3art3d wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
[quote=Aaron]Facts of what happened as I remember them:

One final thing, you need to remove Splinter3000 and Blade1975 from Hub-Zero channel, he was telling MrGronk all manner of stuff and this morning he knew very quickly that Serenity was heading to S91-T1.


WOW. Now Check Mate is in this Soap Opera??!! I can not believe Dracvlad would even make this type of accusation. Since he did, I will speak for MYSELF and RedneckWarrior when I say this. I am done with Hub-Zero. My standings with each of you out here in Stain WILL remain blue, unless of course any of you decide to aggress me OR anyone in our corp. IF any of you need help, I will, as I have done in the past, help IF I can. All you need to do is private message me or RedneckWarrior. As for this accusation that Dracvlad made, splinter3000 OR BLADE1975, does NOT need to give intel on where someone is, especially to Mr Gronk and his alts. He has characters in all the systems in this area, and can see for himself WHERE any of us are when traveling up or down the pipe. SO, for this accusation and past problems, I am leaving the Hub-Zero Channels. I WILL have NO part of the Hub-Zero idea or what ever it may be called. Like I stated in this post, I WILL help any of you IF you need help. You just have to private message me or yell in local. As before, I am not setting ANY of you to red.

P.S.
I did enjoy being in the channels for the most part. But, I HATE Soap Operas and will be NO Part of one.
Have Fun all and FLY SAFE :)


This is something that had us very concerned as a lot of what was happening was being reported to MrGronk, in fact we knew that Splinter had been in Estro, we also knew that he was talking to MrGronk, and he was also very annoyed with Aaron. I could accept that Splinter did not help in that attempt on Serenity this morning, but once you start talking freely like that to someone who is aggressively camping then you have to accept people being suspicious. Now I don't care if you are upset or not, but I have a major question mark on Splinter and that is not a soap opera or any other thing you might want to call it,, I do not trust him, period.

And in any case I am no longer part of Hub Zero, taht was only a warning to Aaron, you might also notice that I had no issues with you personally, in fact like most people we felt you were great.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp