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My rant about the price of playing elitist EVE...get over it.

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Spurty
#41 - 2014-07-23 11:11:46 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:


Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason.


Apparently they wanted to force people away from asteroid belts

I guess until the trillioniares leave the game, we all look too rich 🙇

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-07-23 11:14:56 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Alt Two wrote:
20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system.
And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes.

Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still.



Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning.


Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason.


The Gewn forum police are lettin far far too many poor poasters in these days.

Compared to their good ones, this is just... well... sad..

2/10 must try harder

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-07-23 11:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
How was it, the sentence... you know, when i was starting to play... always the same...
Ah yes ! : don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

And by the way, it's not logical : if the endgame is to fly capitals, as everyone is getting more SP, everyone will end by being able to fly a capital. The problem then is that you need other types of ships too in a fleet.
You could set yourself some exciting goals which are compatible with your playtime. Be a bit imaginative.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#44 - 2014-07-23 11:49:15 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
endgame


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"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#45 - 2014-07-23 14:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
So a 4B dread will take you 83.3 hours to grind in game. You can buy a 6 PLEX for $104 USD. Enough for that dread plus some pocket change. Let's say you make a minimum wage of $7/hr, it would take you 14.85 hours to get that dread and pocket change.

So, 83.3 hours vs 14.85 hours.

To be more specific, 83.3 hours you would be spending with your family or doing more fun thing in eve, versus 14.85 work hours. That is a ratio of over 5:1 time savings. Not to mention, high PLEX prices mean higher USD:ISK purchasing power.

So, why is PLEX (and higher in-game PLEX price) a bad thing?


TL;DR - Some of you guys need to rethink your idea about money (virtual and real) and how it relates to your time (which is ALWAYS real).

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#46 - 2014-07-23 15:20:04 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
How was it, the sentence... you know, when i was starting to play... always the same...
Ah yes ! : don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

And by the way, it's not logical : if the endgame is to fly capitals, as everyone is getting more SP, everyone will end by being able to fly a capital. The problem then is that you need other types of ships too in a fleet.
You could set yourself some exciting goals which are compatible with your playtime. Be a bit imaginative.


funny, my "endgame" (not that there is one in Eve, mind you) is to fly logistics (Guardians, not being a space trucker), and to be a dictor pilot.

Seeing as I'm terrible and have no money to afford to live in low/null (much less, the time required, because RL hates me) ... the dictor thing is out, but I can still be a logibro.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#47 - 2014-07-23 15:26:15 UTC
Bro that's not elitist EvE

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-07-23 15:28:13 UTC
As a former NSBG member I have to protest this entire thread. Does Thor know what you're doing here OP?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Solecist Project
#49 - 2014-07-23 15:36:11 UTC
If the endgame is to fly capitals, then you certainly have a very average mindset.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#50 - 2014-07-23 16:13:42 UTC
I must missed the line where he cried plex prices were too high...
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-07-23 16:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: knobber Jobbler
Lucas Kell wrote:
Xeris 7 wrote:
I would say I am a casual player... (truncated)
Well first I'd say that you don't need to get a dread. Capital warfare isn't for everyone, and subcaps with skilled pilots will always be needed.


We're the CFC, we don't need skilled pilots, just enough willing bodies to throw at our enemies under the guidance of Dear Leader, as the spear tip of his hegemonic machinations. It's worked so far.

Also, I'm frankly embarrassed for my buddies in FCON.
Adunh Slavy
#52 - 2014-07-23 17:04:17 UTC
You can choose to not do all of that too ya know.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Sara Sturnels
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-07-23 17:26:36 UTC
Xeris 7 wrote:
I would say I am a casual player, been playing off and on since 2005, and I have been around the Eve block a few times by now. Member of a big coalition and very devoted to fleet fighting-I enjoy all that 200 people in comms, TiDi, tons of bracets, being part of a team. As a casual player I make my isk by either bounties in null (ratting anoms) or buying the occasional PLEX and I pay a monthly sub for my main and alt accounts. As you know, I’m sure, everyone is encouraged to move up to capitals as that is fleet end game, well… one of the fleet end games but the most important to alliances and coalitions. As I am at that point now in skill training, after having flushed out pretty much all the sub cap skills, I have been doing the isk math on a dread. Below is what I have come up with.

Coalition Dread-fitted and ready for fleet: 4 billion…I think this is accurate.

Now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities. With anoms I “realistically” pull down about 16 million a tick. Sometimes I can hit 20 but that is rare with ‘ceptor gangs roaming the pipe and that sort of thing.

So, 4 bil/16mil per tick is 250 ticks. 250 ticks * 20 minutes per tick is 5000 minutes. 5000m/60 minutes per hour is 83.3 hours. At 6 hours per week farming is 13.8 weeks of my life to afford a fleet fit Dread.

Now that is just for the dread. Not including sub cap ships, insurance, clones, implants, ammo…you see where this is going?
I like to play Eve not play Farmville Eve. So, that means PLEX. Oh and let’s not forget when the dread gets blown into space dust by a DD or hot drop o'clocked I get SRP but it won’t cover stuff like insurance or implants so I will have to come up with a chunk of isk for that as well.

Now a PLEX currently pulls about 800 mil if I am not mistaken. So, for 4 bil I would need 5 PLEX at $20 a PLEX. On top of my monthly subs I also have to dish out $100 large to ride a party barge in the cap fleet and that is just the initial purchase on the dread alone.

SCREW THAT. Lol

At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and I’m sure it won’t be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?


If you're anom ratting, you're doing it wrong. The only way to effectively rat and make good isk is doing cosmic signatures.

That is, until CCP nerfed the drop rate and escalation rate over the past week.
flakeys
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-07-23 19:04:24 UTC
Bam Stroker wrote:
Xeris 7 wrote:
I would say I am a casual player ... now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities.
I don't have those responsibilities and I spend a lot more time playing Eve than you. Just as you feel frustrated that it's hard to keep up when you're only playing casual hours I'd feel similarly disappointed if casuals could advance in the game as quickly as someone like me who puts in a lot more time.

I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship.



But they can , they just don't use the right way to do so.I have never read a thread of a trader complaining about not getting his isk/hour high enough to afford a plex.I have read hundreds if not thousands of miners/ratters making their complaintthread about it though.

In regards to OP , even if you do play casual your losses over the last half year are around 1 B.Most of wich is in fleets so let's say you lost 500 M in the last 6 months , where did the other isk go you made in that time ?If it is only going towards plex then stop plexing your account for starters.Plexing accounts SHOULD be for people who make more isk then they need a month otherwise the game becomes a grind.Either use the isk you make more carefully or change the way you get your isk.

And last but not least no one can force you to fly a capital.I also have been in FCON for 6 months and contributed in my own way by joining every fleet i could in the halloweenwar.I paid most of my ship losses including battleships out of my own pocket and not SRP and was one of the top contributors of my corp every month in those 6 months in regards to pvp .However when they started requesting for capitals - specifically the moros- i did not train mine because i do not enjoy capitalsonline at all.Even if you are a part of a major bloc it does not mean they can have full say on what you should or should not train for.They can however ask you to participate more in fleets , even if that means joining harpy fleets for example.

That is unless you enjoy spending your free time to behave like a robot/slave who follows every order he get's from the upper hand. I don't .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#55 - 2014-07-23 19:23:12 UTC
It has rant right in the title. I must be slacking.

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